Fractal Talk

[Orvillain]

That AIX Multi-band Gate is still the worst plugin I've ever purchased.

 

[Orvillain]

I guess all the other DAWs to me (except Logic, which literally feels like it’s for kids to me) seem like you have to understand a different workflow for each part of the DAW, PT especially, and in Reaper I don’t have to key command for a special tool just to move an item or make a special type of track for a buss or an instrument or stereo or mono, route anything anywhere at any time. I learned PT, Nuendo, Digital Performer, Reason, FL Studio over the years, dabbled in Ableton and Cubase and Bitwig, Reaper is the only one that doesn’t have me trying to strangle my computer at some point. Part of it is probably how easy it is (was?) compared to others when it comes to odd meter and tempo changes and stuff. Ever try to import a MIDI file with a gradual tempo change into Cubase that has to line up with audio from another DAW? What a nightmare, lol.

Just hasn't been my experience. I find the transition from Reason, Ableton, Bitwig, Studio One, and Cubase... to be relatively quick and painless. Transitioning from any of those to Pro Tools is a bit more arduous, but not as bad as stock Reaper. FL Studio I've not really used in anger, but I have used it. Seemed intuitive to me.

I have indeed imported midi files with gradual tempo changes into Cubase. Works fine. Not sure what you experienced, but whenever I've done that, it has been smooth sailing. Studio One as well. Just got to remember to turn off the musical timestretching stuff. Maybe that was the issue?

With Reaper, so much of it is an ugly mess. The takes system for example. Compared to Cubase, Logic, or Studio One ... BLERRRGGGHHH....

As I say, I do use it. I've used it for over a decade. But I really don't love it. It is a tool I use. But impedes my creativity far too often. Especially with the stock keyboard commands, no SWS extensions, and no REAscript.

That stuff really shouldn't be necessary to tweak to just sit down and put a few riffs together. But for me, it is. I don't want any two key combinations for any transport functions for instance, and I really hate having to wade through hundreds of actions to find the one specific thing that I wanted, that in Cubase I can find within a few seconds.

Also there's just niceties that done better in Cubase and Studio One. Like when adding a plugging, and instantly being able to type to filter down. But you never get lost. Old searches don't affect new searches. You don't get locked into the "Instrument" sub-category when adding an effect on a new track if you previously went to "Insert virtual instrument on a new track..." in the TCP right-click menu, but then cancelled the operation.

There's just fucking tons of quirks and quibbles that make using it the most unenjoyable experience.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Just hasn't been my experience. I find the transition from Reason, Ableton, Bitwig, Studio One, and Cubase... to be relatively quick and painless. Transitioning from any of those to Pro Tools is a bit more arduous, but not as bad as stock Reaper. FL Studio I've not really used in anger, but I have used it. Seemed intuitive to me.

I have indeed imported midi files with gradual tempo changes into Cubase. Works fine. Not sure what you experienced, but whenever I've done that, it has been smooth sailing. Studio One as well. Just got to remember to turn off the musical timestretching stuff. Maybe that was the issue?

With Reaper, so much of it is an ugly mess. The takes system for example. Compared to Cubase, Logic, or Studio One ... BLERRRGGGHHH....

As I say, I do use it. I've used it for over a decade. But I really don't love it. It is a tool I use. But impedes my creativity far too often. Especially with the stock keyboard commands, no SWS extensions, and no REAscript.

That stuff really shouldn't be necessary to tweak to just sit down and put a few riffs together. But for me, it is. I don't want any two key combinations for any transport functions for instance, and I really hate having to wade through hundreds of actions to find the one specific thing that I wanted, that in Cubase I can find within a few seconds.

Also there's just niceties that done better in Cubase and Studio One. Like when adding a plugging, and instantly being able to type to filter down. But you never get lost. Old searches don't affect new searches. You don't get locked into the "Instrument" sub-category when adding an effect on a new track if you previously went to "Insert virtual instrument on a new track..." in the TCP right-click menu, but then cancelled the operation.

There's just fucking tons of quirks and quibbles that make using it the most unenjoyable experience.

Every DAW (besides PT after 23) tries to “step” gradual tempo changes so there’s 500 little tempo changes across a couple of measures and it never lines up with the audio. They’ve all got their quirks, I’m really not a fan of having to select a special tool for basic operations and shit.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Also there's just niceties that done better in Cubase and Studio One. Like when adding a plugging, and instantly being able to type to filter down. But you never get lost. Old searches don't affect new searches. You don't get locked into the "Instrument" sub-category when adding an effect on a new track if you previously went to "Insert virtual instrument on a new track..." in the TCP right-click menu, but then cancelled the operation.

There's just fucking tons of quirks and quibbles that make using it the most unenjoyable experience.

In Reaper the plugin window works best if it's set up like this for me:

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

I will not stand for the Reaper hate

#JusticeForReaper

#Reaperuserslivesmatter

 

[sashimi]

Thread infected, we have about 6 pages of reaper discussion incoming

 

[AlbertA]

Heh - from health stuff to announcements from Fractal to DAW wars - only here at TGF.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Fix it for ya

Logic vs Reaper is like comparing a Porsche to a Yugo with a flat tire. Yup. Car comparisons. I went there.

 

[Richard_G]

I use Logic Pro. But I don't want to be associated with Quad Cuntex.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Logic vs Reaper is like comparing a Porsche to a Yugo with a flat tire. Yup. Car comparisons. I went there.

Ok, but how come nobody that works in logic can send me a mono kick track?

 

[Richard_G]

Then you must be working with people who don't know what the fuck they're doing. Don't blame Logic.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Then you must be working with people who don't know what the fuck they're doing. Don't blame Logic.

Yes, people who don’t know what they’re doing seem to use Logic. A lot.

 

[Richard_G]

Of course. Would you expect every idiot buying a Mac and thinking they'd get into music is going to try Logic or Reaper first?

 

[ian_dissonance]

Of course. Would you expect every idiot buying a Mac and thinking they'd get into music is going to try Logic or Reaper first?

You’re right, I should probably lower my expectations automatically if someone thinks they need a Mac for audio.

 

[Richard_G]

Perhaps. Then again, a Mac is a great solution for audio.

 

[ian_dissonance]

For sure, the tribalism but always cracks me up. All my preferences are anecdotal. Reaper rules because I can install it on all my bandmates computers and then they can’t bitch about not having the tools to get things done on their own.

 

[iaresee]

the tribalism but always cracks me up

First time on a guitar forum?

 

[AlbertA]

First time on a guitar forum?

 

[ian_dissonance]

First time on a guitar forum?

Yes. Today actually.

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

Yes, people who don’t know what they’re doing seem to use Logic. A lot.