Helix Stadium wishlist
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I might be overthinking things but….
If one of the main points of Agoura is accuracy, could we maybe have the ability to put spring reverbs into an amp *where they actually are on the original*. With a Princeton, for instance - we have a lovely Agoura model. If you put a spring reverb on it, you can put it before the amp, between the amp and the speaker or after the amp. Correct me if I’m wrong but in an actual Princeton it doesn’t live in any of those places.
It’s not breaking my heart not having this (it sounds awesome anyway) but if you wanted to take a further step towards a truly authentic model then maybe this would help?
If one of the main points of Agoura is accuracy, could we maybe have the ability to put spring reverbs into an amp *where they actually are on the original*. With a Princeton, for instance - we have a lovely Agoura model. If you put a spring reverb on it, you can put it before the amp, between the amp and the speaker or after the amp. Correct me if I’m wrong but in an actual Princeton it doesn’t live in any of those places.
It’s not breaking my heart not having this (it sounds awesome anyway) but if you wanted to take a further step towards a truly authentic model then maybe this would help?
Chocol8
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That's a good point! In a real BF fender circuit, the reverb comes after the tone stack and the first two gain stages, but before the PI/power section. If you are playing clean, you could put the reverb between the amp and speaker and it should be close enough. If you are distorting a BF amp, which I actually do all the time with the real ones, putting it after the power amp distortion is not going to be right, and putting it before the tone stack won't be right either.
EOengineer
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I tend to throw the reverb between the amp and cab but I’ve found some occasions where dropping it in front of a slightly broken up amp really emphasized the drip. This is more akin to how you’d run one of the old 63 standalone reverb units though. I really wish there accurately Trem and Verb on the fenders. It’s always been awkward…on every platform.
synthpenguin
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True, though imo there's not much difference to placement before the amp or after the tonestack and early gain stages in this case. I think it's more important that it's before the power amp sim, since the Princeton preamp is more or less linear. Tonestack placement does become relevant when there is modulation affecting the reverb, but in practice I think the difference is minimal here (again, in this specific context).
It would be cool if Line 6 were able to add an insert point for effects into the amp block, but I don't think it's easy to achieve without introducing latency issues. When captures come along, and if Agoura preamps become available, you could get something similar by using a power amp capture paired with a preamp, though then you'll introduce the normal differences that come with separate preamps and power amps.
Good to hear a couple of folks also thinking this isn’t a terrible idea :)
I’m not sure it would need ann insert point with the potential of introducing latency? With the new Agoura modelling, would there be anything stopping Line 6 from doing a ‘full’ Princeton with tremolo and reverb *in the correct places*? They’ve already done the amp without these things and they already make the effects. I guess they could make a complete amp block that does the whole thing in one place? The reverb and trem controls could be within the actual amp block for models they do this way. Obviously it would take more DSP but, as the existing Agoura amp already exists, a user could load up the regular one if they did not care about having the traditionally included effects in the right place then the realism seeker could simply load the all in one block?
I’m not sure it would need ann insert point with the potential of introducing latency? With the new Agoura modelling, would there be anything stopping Line 6 from doing a ‘full’ Princeton with tremolo and reverb *in the correct places*? They’ve already done the amp without these things and they already make the effects. I guess they could make a complete amp block that does the whole thing in one place? The reverb and trem controls could be within the actual amp block for models they do this way. Obviously it would take more DSP but, as the existing Agoura amp already exists, a user could load up the regular one if they did not care about having the traditionally included effects in the right place then the realism seeker could simply load the all in one block?
Chocol8
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That's actually why we know it matters! The Fender 6G15 units are a bit different from the reverb built into the AB763 circuits, but the difference between having one of those, a Surfybear, or other pedal up front vs between the tone stack and PI, on a BF amp or an amp with a loop, also makes a difference.
molul
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My biggest wish currently: please, Line6, don't take too long to release the non-XL Stadium. A friend of mine got an XL two days ago and the "Musicians' Friend" is constantly sending me videos and messages about how amazing it is
I've even written a small text for myself to remind me why I must wait for the non-XL. This is worse than quitting smoking
I've even written a small text for myself to remind me why I must wait for the non-XL. This is worse than quitting smoking
AlbertA
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Expanding on this
- Additional combos in the output section of every path, for example "Path 2A + Matrix", "Path 2B + Matrix", "Path 2A + 2B + Matrix"
- Criss cross split/merges
- Merge points that allow you to continue the path after the merge point
- Split/Merge blocks that let you split from one path into the existing spot in the other path
- Generic Send/Receive blocks so you can send and receive anywhere in any path (like the send/receive blocks we have already for the H/W loops but without requiring a h/w insert).
Rocco Crocco
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I'd like the ability to mute each cab independently in a dual cab block.
This is a feature I love on the qc and makes dialing in cabs so much faster. Other option is a mix/blend knob like they use on the tmp
laxu
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I'd love to see both. Sometimes it's faster to just mute one of the cabs to hear one of the mics/cabs, but adjusting the blend of the two easily would be really nice.
Am I missing something? Can't you assign a switch to take the level of one amp to 0 all the way down and alternate between the two (or assign the levels of both amps to the expression pedal with one inverse to blend between them)?
EOengineer
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You can do that but I personally wouldn’t take the time to do that every time I’m dialing in a tone. I’d be pretty annoyed. I also wouldn’t want to clutter up my switching with tone construction logic.
Some faster approach to muting cabs would be useful. A special footswitch cab tweaking mode to cycle through cabs, mics, position and distance (with mutes for each cab) could be very useful though. I’d love to be able to toggle that stuff with my feet while I’m able to keep playing the amp.
Sascha Franck
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I gather there's still no option to load an IR instead of a cab in an amp&cab block, correct?
That's something that should be doable.
That's something that should be doable.
EOengineer
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If you’re just gonna periodically drop into the thread to lazily bitch, maybe invest even the slightest bit of effort to check the manual.
Cabs and Cab IRs | Line 6 Manuals
By default, adding an Amp block automatically adds a matching cab block to ensure you attain the complete sound of a physical amp and speaker cabinet. However,…
manuals.line6.com
Sascha Franck
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Guilty as charged. I didn't realize the amp&cab blocks don't exist as such anymore.
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