Randall Smith Gone From Mesa Boogie/Gibson?

GuitarBilly74 said:
He had an endorsement contract with them. Whether he's getting paid regularly, occasionally or receiving compensation in form of equipment, that's still a work contract and he needs to follow the company's policies like anybody else.
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I mean, if you've seen his contract I'll give you deference. Until we see that contract though, my read is that this relationship was far from what google is going to tell you about "endorsement contract". But neither of us is ever going to have the facts to prove who is right and who is wrong.
 
Whole situation is ultimately probably a net win for Fluff anyways. He makes a living off attention/clicks and frankly this is probably the most concentrated attention/buzz the dudes ever had. I’m sure he’ll be able to squeeze out a few more tearful videos about this

And we the people win because now we’ll never have to hear another video from him making mesas sound terrible

Randall wins because he got the payout he bargained for

Gibson will just be fine, and I feel pretty confident that they don’t care that much about the vocal internet hate brigade that’s crying about something else with Gibson every other week of the year anyways


We all win!


Boudoir Guitar said:
I mean, if you've seen his contract I'll give you deference. Until we see that contract though, my read is that this relationship was far from what google is going to tell you about "endorsement contract". But neither of us is ever going to have the facts to prove who is right and who is wrong.
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Well I think the people that feel like Fluff was wronged should probably pick a narrative and stick to it…

If all Gibson took away from fluff was simply an artist discount that’s hardly “screwing over or shafting fluff” and doesn’t particularly warrant how he himself has been describing the “end of their relationship”
 
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Boudoir Guitar said:
I mean, if you've seen his contract I'll give you deference. Until we see that contract though, my read is that this relationship was far from what google is going to tell you about "endorsement contract". But neither of us is ever going to have the facts to prove who is right and who is wrong.
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Oddly enough, I did work for Mesa in the 90s and also for Carvin and Line 6 in the 00s so I've seen plenty of these contracts. Can't remember any that said "take our gear and go be a rat on FB".

It's amazing the amount of mental gymnastics people go through to justify basically a breach in confidentiality just because it fits their personal bias against a company.
 
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GuitarBilly74 said:
I know for sure that if I was terminated from my company, I wouldn't want them or one of their spokesperson talking about it online without the company's consent or mine.
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Not sure this analogy really holds much weight because there’s so much context involved. With all respect, why would anyone give a shit if you were terminated from a company, UNLESS you either did something really bad, or because the reason given from the company is a clear and obvious lie. Under some circumstances, people showing interest and discussing the nature of your departure may be a good thing. I’d probably be more concerned with the colleagues I worked with finding out and gossiping than people who don’t know shit anyway talking on Facebook. If I was that bothered, I’d be trying to put things right rather than letting things spiral into a shitshow.

I’m finding the notion of Fluff being some kind of important spokesperson for Gibson quite amusing, especially when it’s over a (deleted) facebook comment (not an “announcement”) about something that turned out to be true anyway. Isn’t Randall saying the word “fired” a much bigger deal in that case? What’s RS trying to achieve in saying he was fired? Trying to work out if Fluff is some inconsequential nobody, or someone whose voice carries authority and weight.

Has he even tried to cash in or take advantage of the situation for clicks? As far as I can tell nothing was said at all for 6 months, and it was handled quite diplomatically without. He told the truth, owned up to his actions, and accepted the consequences. And even spoke highly of the new products. I can’t say I have any major issue with what Fluff did, if he was an employee of mine I’d have probably had a word about it but if I cared THAT much I’d have probably laid things out explicitly to begin with to try and avoid it even happening. IMO it’s pathetic on Gibsons end and I can’t really work out how they benefit, and that’s why I’m surprised by the situation (doesn’t affect me at all what happens to Fluff).
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Not sure this analogy really holds much weight because there’s so much context involved. With all respect, why would anyone give a shit if you were terminated from a company, UNLESS you either did something really bad, or because the reason given from the company is a clear and obvious lie. Under some circumstances, people showing interest and discussing the nature of your departure may be a good thing. I’d probably be more concerned with the colleagues I worked with finding out and gossiping than people who don’t know shit anyway talking on Facebook. If I was that bothered, I’d be trying to put things right rather than letting things spiral into a shitshow.

I’m finding the notion of Fluff being some kind of important spokesperson for Gibson quite amusing, especially when it’s over a (deleted) facebook comment (not an “announcement”) about something that turned out to be true anyway. Isn’t Randall saying the word “fired” a much bigger deal in that case? What’s RS trying to achieve in saying he was fired? Trying to work out if Fluff is some inconsequential nobody, or someone whose voice carries authority and weight.

Has he even tried to cash in or take advantage of the situation for clicks? As far as I can tell nothing was said at all for 6 months, and it was handled quite diplomatically without. He told the truth, owned up to his actions, and accepted the consequences. And even spoke highly of the new products. I can’t say I have any major issue with what Fluff did, if he was an employee of mine I’d have probably had a word about it but if I cared THAT much I’d have probably laid things out explicitly to begin with to try and avoid it even happening. IMO it’s pathetic on Gibsons end and I can’t really work out how they benefit, and that’s why I’m surprised by the situation (doesn’t affect me at all what happens to Fluff).
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Public ally Gossiping about people getting fired is kinda shitty regardless of who you or they are imo. But it’s even worse when you have a platform that large and you have a working relationship (regardless of how big or small) with the company you’re stirring shit up about. Especially because he didnt and doesn’t have any real info on the matter aside from gossip from someone he knows within Mesa. I can’t reconcile in my mind how anyone could think Fluffs comments were “out of respect for Randall”. Again, really just robbed RS of a lot of dignity. Sure, I’m much more interested in RS narrative than Gibsons (and with his recent videos, I think we still may yet get a more clear picture in the future. Because even with his comment it’s still all pretty murky)

But it sure as fuck shouldn’t be fluff controlling the narrative, especially without any receipts to back it up


That’s all well and good that you might not fire an employee of yours for pulling this kind of stunt. But the majority of working professionals in literally ANY field would be. I’m not really sure why a geartuber should get some sort of special treatment over the rest of us out here for acting like a dingus :idk

And I suppose we all can continue going back and forth on whether or not he was well intentioned. But I’m not buying that he was for a second personally.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Not sure this analogy really holds much weight because there’s so much context involved. With all respect, why would anyone give a shit if you were terminated from a company, UNLESS you either did something really bad, or because the reason given from the company is a clear and obvious lie. Under some circumstances, people showing interest and discussing the nature of your departure may be a good thing. I’d probably be more concerned with the colleagues I worked with finding out and gossiping than people who don’t know shit anyway talking on Facebook. If I was that bothered, I’d be trying to put things right rather than letting things spiral into a shitshow.

I’m finding the notion of Fluff being some kind of important spokesperson for Gibson quite amusing, especially when it’s over a (deleted) facebook comment (not an “announcement”) about something that turned out to be true anyway. Isn’t Randall saying the word “fired” a much bigger deal in that case? What’s RS trying to achieve in saying he was fired? Trying to work out if Fluff is some inconsequential nobody, or someone whose voice carries authority and weight.

Has he even tried to cash in or take advantage of the situation for clicks? As far as I can tell nothing was said at all for 6 months, and it was handled quite diplomatically without. He told the truth, owned up to his actions, and accepted the consequences. And even spoke highly of the new products. I can’t say I have any major issue with what Fluff did, if he was an employee of mine I’d have probably had a word about it but if I cared THAT much I’d have probably laid things out explicitly to begin with to try and avoid it even happening. IMO it’s pathetic on Gibsons end and I can’t really work out how they benefit, and that’s why I’m surprised by the situation (doesn’t affect me at all what happens to Fluff).
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You either have very little regard for privacy or you dislike Gibson so much it knocked a screw lose in your head.

Simply put: inside information is not public information. Especially about employment. It cannot be disclosed by a third party without consent. Every respectable company has a policy against it and enforces it. Period.

Don't you own a profile company? Would you be OK with someone putting private information from your employees or customers online because it was "just a in comment" or "no one cares?" I'd be weary of doing any business with your company if that's how you feel. Yikes.
 
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GuitarBilly74 said:
You either have very little regard for privacy or you dislike Gibson so much it knocked a screw lose in your head.

Simply put: inside information is not public information. Especially about employment. It cannot be disclosed by a third party without consent. Every respectable company has a policy against it and enforces it. Period.

Don't you own a profile company? Would you be OK with someone putting private information from your employees or customers online because it was "just a in comment" or "no one cares?" I'd be weary of doing any business with your company if that's how you feel. Yikes.
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Well I own Gibson guitars and Mesa amps so I have no real issue with them. This strikes me as petty though, but i’m pretty sure it’s the first negative thing i’ve ever said about Gibson online?

I wouldn’t make any of those assumptions about my views on privacy, it’s really about context. And I’m not defending what Fluff did or said it was right. Quite the opposite, he clearly shouldn’t have done it. You seem to bring the discussion back to that for some reason?

I’m saying Gibsons handling of the situation is petty. It’s not uncommon for things to not go to plan, unfortunately it happens. How you respond to it says a lot about an employer and company generally, and how they’re willing to be perceived. I can’t imagine a work project going badly and me phoning a contractor up and giving them the whole “I’LL SEE TO IT THAT WE NEVER WORK WITH YOU AGAIN!!!!” spiel. I think I’d die of embarrassment at the thought of it before the words could leave my mouth.

A kid could get caught nicking sweets from a corner shop, and then get punished by something OTT and bizarre. You can find the response strange without justifying what brought it on.
 
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Do we really know what was truly said and the specific language used my Gibson to fluff? Gibson isn’t talking about it, truthfully they probably don’t care that much, but saw to it that a relationship with someone they had some degree of a professional relationship was ended after said professional contact gave them some viral bad press

Given Gibson’s expertise in legalese I’m sure their actual termination of fluffs contract/deal (whatever it was) was professional, short, and to the point

I think it speaks volumes to the narcissism of “infliencers” that fluff has managed to make the entire narrative about the ending of RS/Gibson (after Randall ya know… sold the company to them) end up being all about him. But ultimately all serves his best interest and like I said before he’s probably coming out ahead personally in all of this :idk
 
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