Nobels coming in the Axe

[Orvillain]

RE: amp versus pedal distortion.

I think amp distortion can live by itself. You don't need pedal distortion. But in my humble opinion, a distorted pedal into a pure clean amp sounds bollockless most of the time.

However, a crunchy pedal into a crunchy amp? Epic.

I've just never been satisfied getting 100% of my distortion from a pedal. But getting some extra OD character or using one to shape the front of an already distorted amp, it is pretty epic.

How many times can I use the word epic in this post? Epic.

 

[BenIfin]

..... and the pre-release plantation and curation of hype and mythology continues ... you can almost set your watch to it

Ben " ready to be cancelled and flamed-off every Gear forum on the WWW " Ifin

 

[jellodog]

..... and the pre-release plantation and curation of hype and mythology continues

And what's wrong with that? This guy delivers!

Unlike some of the others

 

[JiveTurkey]

Yawn.

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

..... and the pre-release plantation and curation of hype and mythology continues ... you can almost set your watch to it

Ben " ready to be cancelled and flamed-off every Gear forum on the WWW " Ifin

When you act like a D-Bag, people treat you like a D-Bag.

It's a set.

 

[DrewJD82]

From what I can now realize Being a more experienced Fractal users, there is not much need of OD
Everything is in the amp and cab blocks

Thread Warning Issued-

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

RE: amp versus pedal distortion.

I think amp distortion can live by itself. You don't need pedal distortion. But in my humble opinion, a distorted pedal into a pure clean amp sounds bollockless most of the time.

However, a crunchy pedal into a crunchy amp? Epic.

I've just never been satisfied getting 100% of my distortion from a pedal. But getting some extra OD character or using one to shape the front of an already distorted amp, it is pretty epic.

How many times can I use the word epic in this post? Epic.

Used appropriately, I’m fine with all the possibilities. There’s something pretty magical about a klon with gain somewhere between 0.2 and 1.5 and levelnon blast into a clean amp. Fuzz is fuzz and is awesome into clean or dirty amp (or into a midhump pedal into a clean amp). Those aren’t really attempts to sound like an amp, just their own thing.

I get why some folks prefer using a Timmy or KOt or something into a clean amp for stones-level crunch rather than amp clipping, or maybe even an Angry Charlie for fill in saturated lead.

But I don’t get why anyone would try that sort of “pedal instead of amp” approach with a modeler.

Mostly, I thought @Stone was suggesting that with the boost section of the amp block there was no need for a separate OD block.

Of course different folks will have different approaches/needs.

 

[GTR37]

Hmmm, interesting. It definitely doesn't appear to be Helix Native, because this is Helix's Klon with "everything at noon," with a full sine sweep from 20 to 20kHz. Looks pretty clean. (The shape is different than Cliff's plots because the freq scale here is logarithmic, while his was linear):

View attachment 14140

It probably the TMP since some of the other models have been deemed a little off

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

RE: amp versus pedal distortion.

I think amp distortion can live by itself. You don't need pedal distortion. But in my humble opinion, a distorted pedal into a pure clean amp sounds bollockless most of the time.

However, a crunchy pedal into a crunchy amp? Epic.

I've just never been satisfied getting 100% of my distortion from a pedal. But getting some extra OD character or using one to shape the front of an already distorted amp, it is pretty epic.

How many times can I use the word epic in this post? Epic.

 

[James Freeman]

The sweep input level is important.
Also, use "Max Peak" setting and make sure the bypassed sine sweep is flat.

 

[BenIfin]

When you act like a D-Bag, people treat you like a D-Bag.

It's a set.

Sh%t ... thats a bit harsh dont you think ?

 

[James Freeman]

Personally, I never understood the amount of hype some pedals get, including this one.

 

[SwirlyMaple]

The sweep input level is important.
Also, use "Max Peak" setting and make sure the bypassed sine sweep is flat.

View attachment 14146

Thanks, yep, as long as the slope setting is 0, the sine sweep comes out flat as long as the sweep is linear rather than log.

I think we can conclude that the less-stellar product in Cliff's post is not the Helix, but it does look like the Helix model rolls off the treble a bit more early than the FM9 does. There's a zillion flavors of Klons and Klones, so who knows, both might be accurate to their modeled pedals.

<Plots removed because I didn’t realize the FM9 boosts USB input by 18dB. Fixed plots here:

https://thegearforum.com/threads/nobels-coming-in-the-axe.3798/post-142573>

 

[James Freeman]

Imteresting that I got a flatter line in the low frequency region.

 

[GTR37]

Personally, I never understood the amount of hype some pedals get, including this one.

It’s pretty popular with the Nashville players , it’s pretty much the tube screamer of modern country and studio cats

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Sh%t ... thats a bit harsh dont you think ?

Dear Ben,

While the vinegar used in most commercial douche products is excessively harsh, leading to an imbalance in vjayjaysl flora and pH (and this leading most doctors to advise agains their use), the bag itself is fairly innocuous,

Best regards,

Your fellow forum mates

 

[SwirlyMaple]

Imteresting that I got a flatter line in the low frequency region.

It's because of that slope setting I mentioned in the reply. It defaults to 4.50 in the free version of SPAN. I forgot to change it to zero before running the sweeps, but it still gives a relative comparison between the two. If this isn't set to zero, a linear sine sweep input becomes a straight line with a positive slope.

 

[SwirlyMaple]

Best regards,

Your fellow forum mates

I think there's probably just a bit of a communication barrier happening here. I don't think he meant to personally insult anyone. I do not think he is a women's feminine hygiene product, nope.

 

[metropolis_4]

Pedal distortion and amp distortion are totally different things. Neither is a replacement for the other. I love both

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I think there's probably just a bit of a communication barrier happening here. I don't think he meant to personally insult anyone. I do not think he is a women's feminine hygiene product, nope.

Dear Swirly,

My sincerest apologies if you read the signature as encompassing all forum members. It was not intended to do so.

Best,

Boudoir