Fractal’s gift of tone.

[TSJMajesty]

Something about looking a gift horse in the mouth...?

It's easy to take a shit on something... some would argue it is natural.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

It's easy to take a shit on something... some would argue it is natural.

sometimes, it’s the crappy, sterile, lifeless, overly compressed tone that the track needs.

 

[TSJMajesty]

Context

 

[KFF]

CODE BROWN!!!

Killer!!!

 

[timbuck3]

Comes with a free Chest Waxing.

So guitar techs so all the amp and preset switching for the stars? Even turn on and off effects from off stage?

 

[Blix]

So guitar techs so all the amp and preset switching for the stars? Even turn on and off effects from off stage?

Yeah that's quite common.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Yeah that's quite common.

There used to be some pretty funny artist freakout videos for when the guitar tech switched at the wrong time

 

[Frodebro]

So guitar techs so all the amp and preset switching for the stars? Even turn on and off effects from off stage?

Yeah that's quite common.

Many shows are completely automated now, with everything synched together and controlled by a computer.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Context

Many shows are completely automated now, with everything synched together and controlled by a computer.

I was thinking about putting in a preorder for a Tesla Optimus to handle instrument changes mid-set, but those idiots decided to cheap out and not include MIDI.

 

[newholland]

Obviously I know that. Rockman sounds a lot better on some recordings than others.

If you think that guitarists are recording straight from a mic’d cab to the board without any post EQ, you’ve never witnessed a recording or mixing session.

Even Andy Sneap is on record of having to “EQ the crap out of” John Petrucci’s mic’d tone in order for it to sit well in the mix.

oh man. i can, with all honesty, say that I've come mighty close fo being recorded that way, short of high pass filters. that said, they were bomber engineers, with perverse mic collections but it can be done. i dunno if its an often thing.. but a coupla tweaks here and there likely got done- nothin super aggressive though. i aint gonna say its normal.

 

[pipelineaudio]

oh man. i can, with all honesty, say that I've come mighty close fo being recorded that way, short of high pass filters. that said, they were bomber engineers, with perverse mic collections but it can be done. i dunno if its an often thing.. but a coupla tweaks here and there likely got done- nothin super aggressive though. i aint gonna say its normal.

But even then, if the album is anything approaching the modern loudness levels, the guitar you recorded really isn’t going to mirror, in any meaningful way, the dynamic response, the frequency dependent dynamics or the bandwidth or frequency response you recorded. The act of getting 18ish bits of guitar range into a mix with 100 other tracks to, for most of the song having a 4 bit dynamic range (And that is SUPER generous given -8LUFS is pretty standard now) requires so much bit mangling it would make your head spin. Pull the track out of a final with a ripper and compare it with the recorded track and if it even nulls 8dB I’d be super surprised

 

[newholland]

But even then, if the album is anything approaching the modern loudness levels, the guitar you recorded really isn’t going to mirror, in any meaningful way, the dynamic response, the frequency dependent dynamics or the bandwidth or frequency response you recorded. The act of getting 18ish bits of guitar range into a mix with 100 other tracks to, for most of the song having a 4 bit dynamic range (And that is SUPER generous given -8LUFS is pretty standard now) requires so much bit mangling it would make your head spin. Pull the track out of a final with a ripper and compare it with the recorded track and if it even nulls 8dB I’d be super surprised

oh gads. that was 24 tracks to 2" tape days. 100 tracks? who has time to even track that now? :lol:

i hear you, though- it was a long time ago, and there were no 100 track records in any world i ever inhabited we just turned up, recorded for three days, mixed for two, and sent it to the pressing plant.

 

[pipelineaudio]

oh gads. that was 24 tracks to 2" tape days. 100 tracks? who has time to even track that now? :lol:

i hear you, though- it was a long time ago, and there were no 100 track records in any world i ever inhabited we just turned up, recorded for three days, mixed for two, and sent it to the pressing plant.

This is the kind of post I need to print out around the studio. “You mean people used to have to actually be able to play their tracks?”

 

[Frodebro]

This is the kind of post I need to print out around the studio. “You mean people used to have to actually be able to play their tracks?”

Back in Elvis’ day, there was just one mic in the middle of the room and everybody was set up around it, with their levels being controlled by how close they were to the mic.

 

[newholland]

This is the kind of post I need to print out around the studio. “You mean people used to have to actually be able to play their tracks?”

its kinda half the reason as time goes on i find less and less people to record. i dont wanna be quantizing mistakes or editing 57 takes into one adequate performance. i sure dont wanna indulge bad performances or pitch correct shit. and i dont need another reason to be the old guy shaking his fist at a cloud

 

[unix-guy]

Yup. I don't understand it. When the Rockman first came out everyone got one and then after a bit we all realized that the sound was sterile, flat and overly compressed.

Nostalgia is strong...

Can we get a BBE Sonic Maximizer?

 

[paisleywookiee]

I was thinking about putting in a preorder for a Tesla Optimus to handle instrument changes mid-set, but those idiots decided to cheap out and not include MIDI.

At least you'd have that sweet "robot in the room" tone.

 

[Desertdweller]

If you think that guitarists are recording straight from a mic’d cab to the board without any post EQ, you’ve never witnessed a recording or mixing session.

Even Andy Sneap is on record of having to “EQ the crap out of” John Petrucci’s mic’d tone in order for it to sit well in the mix.

Yep. The producer is responsible for making a mix sound great and it's an art all to itself. The pure recorded sound is just an ingredient in the mix of a great song. You gotta stir it a bit!

 

[Desertdweller]

Nostalgia is strong...

Can we get a BBE Sonic Maximizer?

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

At least you'd have that sweet "robot in the room" tone.

But no effects loop either….