Modelers Losing Their Luster

[Frodebro]

The value in having 100 models isn’t to use them all. If everyone picks their 5 favorite amps it will quickly spawn to a list of 100 amps. So having a healthy library of amps ensures everyone finds the handful of amps they like. And before someone says “well you can just tweak amp XYZ to get that Uber Gainz X tone” just remember, NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT, EVER, THANK YOU. Choice is good and options paralysis is on you.

Every time I see someone arrogantly proclaiming that modeling sucks because nobody needs 100 amp models, I wonder to myself if they can survive a trip to the supermarket without needing a visit to their therapist on the way home.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Every time I see someone arrogantly proclaiming that modeling sucks because nobody needs 100 amp models, I wonder to myself if they can survive a trip to the supermarket without needing a visit to their therapist on the way home.

Answer me this..does the pick attack of a Hiwatt and a Tweed Fender differ enough for you to call it different models?

 

[Frodebro]

Answer me this..does the pick attack of a Hiwatt and a Tweed Fender differ enough for you to call it different models?

It’s not about the differences, it’s about understanding those differences.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

It’s not about the differences, it’s about understanding those differences.

Precisely. But they do have to exist first…do they?

 

[Orvillain]

Didn’t you just do a 3 Diezel shoot out?
I totally relate, yesterday i dusted off my Ax8, and ran it power amp to Ox and cab, and while it was fun wallowing in mondo gain without pedals, plugin subsequently into amps and even UAFX pedal is simply more fun for me.

Yeah spent a good chunk of my day messing around with amps and pedals.

Even though I use amps with lots of knobs, they're still way easier to battle with and way more fun than any of my modellers right now, and even though I use digital effects pedals with a lot of controls and algorithms, they're still a lot more fun too.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Yeah spent a good chunk of my day messing around with amps and pedals.

Even though I use amps with lots of knobs, they're still way easier to battle with and way more fun than any of my modellers right now, and even though I use digital effects pedals with a lot of controls and algorithms, they're still a lot more fun too.

Its the tactile knobs vs mouse, and im convinced since all amp models on modellers have the same front end no matter what amp the response is same-y thus less fun.
I mean a pitbull should feel like a a pitbull not a recto on orange spongy.

 

[Frodebro]

Precisely. But they do have to exist first…do they?

Yes, but I think you missed my point. Modelers have a large selection for the same reason supermarkets do. I’m sure there are people out there that are convinced that Cheerios will taste close enough to Captain Crunch if you dump enough sugar in the bowl, but for the true connoisseurs out there it’s far more preferable to simply have the Captain Crunch available.

 

[TubeStack]

Ever since I got the QC they’ve grown in luster…

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Yes, but I think you missed my point. Modelers have a large selection for the same reason supermarkets do. I’m sure there are people out there that are convinced that Cheerios will taste close enough to Captain Crunch if you dump enough sugar in the bowl, but for the true connoisseurs out there it’s far more preferable to simply have the Captain Crunch available.

Oh we in complete agreement on that.

And yes if the tonal aspect is the only thing im looking at then the more the merrier.

Sadly that’s not all she wrote in my use case.

 

[Achilles]

In my mind only at ear bashing volumes where you actually clip the powertubes…which in real life only happens at insane volumes

Safe to say that the vast majority of players (myself included) haven't really experienced power tube distortion of any degree - let alone to the point of being able to identify the various differences between say a screaming quartet of 6L6s vs EL34s. I'm sure some here can, (Mr. DeGenaro being one) just saying that most can't.

 

[Sascha Franck]

with lots of knobs, they're still way easier to battle with and way more fun

Doesn't matter whether it's amps or modelers. It's all about them knobs!

 

[Frodebro]

Safe to say that the vast majority of players (myself included) haven't really experienced power tube distortion of any degree - let alone to the point of being able to identify the various differences between say a screaming quartet of 6L6s vs EL34s. I'm sure some here can, (Mr. DeGenaro being one) just saying that most can't.

I miss the good old days when 100 watters on ten was considered perfectly acceptable in live venues. But I have a daily reminder of it with the tinnitus in my right ear…

 

[Achilles]

It's all about them knobs!

An EQ slider counts as a knob where I come from.

 

[Sascha Franck]

An EQ slider counts as a knob where I come from.

I left them out because I usually don't touch them (it's just my monitoring EQ and level control, on 90% of all gigs, the faders stay dead center). Could've added the MS50 and HXS knobs, too - but only WYSIWYG knobs are the real deal.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

I miss the good old days when 100 watters on ten was considered perfectly acceptable in live venues. But I have a daily reminder of it with the tinnitus in my right ear…

I got it in both ears, the seashore rather than the ringing kind.

But thinking back to those just like the 80s fun in Hollywood, im glad im old and experienced loud volume, unlike the kids of today grew up with it.

 

[Achilles]

I got it in both ears, the seashore rather than the ringing kind.

Mine is late night cricket, frog, and bird harmonies. Sounds like I got a pond in the woods inside my head.

 

[Achilles]

As long as we're talking power tube distortion it's a good excuse to pull up this.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

As long as we're talking power tube distortion it's a good excuse to pull up this classic.

That’s such a sad hang.
One of my fave parts of working at THD was play testing stuff…dimed.

I used to have this deaf and blind Australian sheppard i took to work with me. He loved sitting in front of the 4x12 feeling everything vibrate.
I loved seeing folks walk in freaking out over the abuse they perceived me committing…

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

@Achilles
That video reminds me of that most folks that keep talking about Plexi or 800 tones really never had to get them under control. As was a given fir our age group.

Actually when I was 15 i took lessons from the local hot shot.
And since i was young, dumb and full if cum as they i bought into the BS story he told me.
It went like this…

The reason that Jimi was as good as he was he practiced with dimed Plexis. Story is cleaned up and FA racist spew omitted.
But the bottomline was that it got me started on okd Marshalls furst one was a 72 Super Bass i never used other than dimed.

By the time i did my first tours a few years later it was that, a modded 70 Super Lead and a late 70s 2203 with 5 4x12 cabs.

 

[Achilles]

@Ed DeGenaro
That half stack nmv JMP50 was my only experiences with a Marshall on 10. Lived in a town where most folks had acreage so huge back yard parties in High School were a constant on weekends and we were the house band. Somewhere there's pictures of me at 16 bashing a black Les Paul with a violin bow while in front of a raging pair of 34s. THAT was fun!