Kemper Player - Kemper gives away Morphing for FREE

[[Nathan]]

I already changed my tune. I'm boycotting kemper because I'm pro Orvillian.

Let me know if they dump Nathan and I might support them again.

 

[HomespunEffects]

… Sometimes you get a PP or MP unit …

What is PP and MP? Preproduction?

 

[Orvillain]

What is PP and MP? Preproduction?

Aye. Pre production and mass production. Sometimes you miss things during PP, then you do MP... find a critical issue, then have to do some kind of firmware update to address a hardware issue, because you've already mass produced.

It is a nightmare.

 

[HomespunEffects]

Aye. Pre production and mass production. Sometimes you miss things during PP, then you do MP... find a critical issue, then have to do some kind of firmware update to address a hardware issue, because you've already mass produced.

It is a nightmare.

Ah, I understand. Thanks.

 

[JCW308]

I'm not sure how that would be relevant.

Read the thread.

 

[OneEng]

It's great for those who bought their Kemper when it released (2013 I think?), and shows Kemper got a lot of things right when it's still well liked today.

But the flipside is that as someone who doesn't own a Kemper, I don't want to buy any Kemper product because I know it's so old hardware. The user interfaces etc haven't kept up with progress, and other devices have surpassed them in sound and accuracy.

The capture game is already starting to be dominated by much cheaper products. It's only a matter of time before IK, Hotone, Mooer or maybe Nux nails it to the point that buying Kemper doesn't make much sense unless they evolve their hardware.

I bought mine in 2013, and I agree. It has been a gem over the years. Best gig rig (by far) I have ever owned .... and I am a recovering boutique tube snob .

Anyway, reposting it:


I don't know much about paid upgrades, but I have to say Kemper does an awesome job on the hardware side, the original Profiler released in 2011-ish (?) is still the same one being used today. That's incredible for a digital company. How many versions have the other companies gone through since then? Heck, even amp companies discontinue/revamp stuff more regularly than them.

Agree.

I don't appreciate being accused of spreading BS, when everything I say is factual.

Sorry. You misinterpreted my response. I was attempting to say that it was BS that Kemper acted the way they did toward you. As much as I think you are a world class Richard Cranium, I find myself in the unusual position of having to completely agree with you on this point.

Being a beta tester is not a right associated with a purchase. Its a privilege companies extended to some of their users.
Beta testers get to see/hear products before they're out. I don't think it's unreasonable for a company to expect their beta testers not to be publicly praising/associating with competitors.

I agree that it is within a companies RIGHTS to do what they did; however, from a business standpoint, it is stupid squared. Just plain ignorant. Someone over there should be fired IMO. It's the absolutely WORST PR ever.

I've run beta teams for the last 17 years. We do not and never have tried to restrict our beta testers from using equipment from the competition, or being praise worthy about the competition.

I'm on the beta team for another BIG modeller (lots of people here use one!!) and there is nothing in the agreement that relates to restricting my speech or purchasing power.

It is completely and thoroughly unreasonable for a company to expect to control beta testers like that. Beta testers are unpaid. They are not employee's. The company has no remit to do what you suggest.

I don't disagree with your statement. I would say that IF Kemper intended for beta testers to be "loyal" to only Kemper, they should have stated this in an agreement up front. Having said this, I believe this is STUPID for them to do for any number of reasons.

I already changed my tune. I'm boycotting kemper because I'm pro Orvillian.

Let me know if they dump Nathan and I might support them again.

You two need a little privacy? Get a room!

Don't be pro-me. I'm an asshole.

That much is certain.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

I agree that it is within a companies RIGHTS to do what they did; however, from a business standpoint, it is stupid squared. Just plain ignorant. Someone over there should be fired IMO. It's the absolutely WORST PR ever

Agreed. I changed my tune 2 pages ago. Boo kemper.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

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Perfect meme. That guy is you to a T.

 

[HomespunEffects]

 

[JCW308]

So, any news if Kemper is going to adjust anything else with the upgrades?

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Yeah, it seems they don’t believe in constructive criticism, it’s just criticism.

sadly we trink of it as constructive lol

Funnily enough especially here in the South the concept is that not bitching is a supposed to be seen as compliment.

 

[Orvillain]

Funnily enough especially here in the South the concept is that not bitching is a supposed to be seen as compliment.

What do you mean?? As in, sweeping things under the carpet is seen as being better??

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

He was on the beta team, not a normal customer.

So what? I'm on the beta team for one modeling company and they absolutely know I use other gear too.

 

[JCW308]

So what? I'm on the beta team for one modeling company and they absolutely know I use other gear too.

That's the point. You'd have to ask Kemper why they cut him off.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

That's the point. You'd have to ask Kemper why they cut him off.

Seems really clear from the email. He said online that he was using other gear so they cut him off.

 

[Mongillo19]

Seems really clear from the email. He said online that he was using other gear so they cut him off.

I think it's more than using other gear. It's recognizing and stating the other gear is better in certain aspects.....which it appear Kemper did not like

 

[Orvillain]

I think it's more than using other gear. It's recognizing and stating the other gear is better in certain aspects.....which it appear Kemper did not like

I was definitely critiquing the Kemper whilst being a beta team member. I made my VH4 video on the 7th of Feb 2021, which predates the email chain. So it is totally possibly Burkenstein had his ass in a twist over that. But all my criticism of the Kemper was only ever intended to try to help improve the product.

But fundamentally, I think it just cannot be improved. They're not using neural machine learning approaches for their profiling. They're using antiquated techniques that are not very good. The next Kemper is going to have to be a massive paradigm shift if they want to compete with ToneX, QC, and NAM, from an accuracy point of view.

And I still content that accuracy is the number one point of such a product.

 

[JCW308]

Seems really clear from the email. He said online that he was using other gear so they cut him off.

Correct. The person previously that I replied to was making it sound like that was on me or something.

 

[OneEng]

So what? I'm on the beta team for one modeling company and they absolutely know I use other gear too.

I would argue that using other gear makes you MORE qualified to be a beta tester, not LESS. It should be a desired trait, not discouraged.

I was definitely critiquing the Kemper whilst being a beta team member. I made my VH4 video on the 7th of Feb 2021, which predates the email chain. So it is totally possibly Burkenstein had his ass in a twist over that. But all my criticism of the Kemper was only ever intended to try to help improve the product.

But fundamentally, I think it just cannot be improved. They're not using neural machine learning approaches for their profiling. They're using antiquated techniques that are not very good. The next Kemper is going to have to be a massive paradigm shift if they want to compete with ToneX, QC, and NAM, from an accuracy point of view.

And I still content that accuracy is the number one point of such a product.

Perhaps for you, accuracy is the most important point.

I am not going to sit here and argue that Kemper is as accurate as NAM, since it demonstrably is not. I think you jump the shark when you go so far as to say Kemper can't compete with ToneX, QC and NAM unless they are as good at capture as those devices. That is just silly.

Kemper's strength is in its ability to create good tube tone with very real feel across a large variation of amps and efx. It is rock solid and has the best live interface in the industry IMO. People like me could care less if you can use NULL analysis to show it isn't as accurate a capture device as another device. I only care that it is a great sounding, reliable, easy to use, gig machine.

For those who really do care about the accuracy and ease of capture as their #1 point, Kemper is the wrong product.

For those who really care about the best gig rig, QC, ToneX and NAM are poor choices. ToneX and NAM are simply useless (QC lacks quality verbs and delays that most bands can't live without, and the buttons are too close for good stage ergonomics).

IMO, Kemper has no live gig competition. Everything else has lesser capabilities overall (even Fractal, but it is admittedly close).

 

[Orvillain]

Perhaps for you, accuracy is the most important point.

And perhaps for you, you're just happy to play through any old aliasing waveshaper algorithm (although the word algorithm is doing a lot of heavy lifting there!) - perhaps for myself and others accuracy is the best target for this stuff, because the gold standard for guitar tones is still a valve amp into a real cab.

I am not going to sit here and argue that Kemper is as accurate as NAM, since it demonstrably is not. I think you jump the shark when you go so far as to say Kemper can't compete with ToneX, QC and NAM unless they are as good at capture as those devices. That is just silly.

from an accuracy point of view - there's your famous reading comprehension skills on display!

Kemper's strength is in its ability to create good tube tone with very real feel across a large variation of amps and efx. It is rock solid and has the best live interface in the industry IMO. People like me could care less if you can use NULL analysis to show it isn't as accurate a capture device as another device. I only care that it is a great sounding, reliable, easy to use, gig machine.

I'd stop you right there at "good tube tone" because that is arguable. Real feel is also very arguable. I'll grant you the solidity of the performance. I don't care about null tests, I can hear how bad Kemper sounds compared to the amp it has captured, without even having to do them.

Personally, the Kemper sounds like Amplitube 2 to me. Welcome to 2006.

For those who really do care about the accuracy and ease of capture as their #1 point, Kemper is the wrong product.

Well, judging by this thread, for anyone who cares about supporting ethical companies, Kemper is also the wrong product. There's actually a lot of reasons to swerve the Kemper stuff, and not just from an accuracy perspective.

For those who really care about the best gig rig, QC, ToneX and NAM are poor choices. ToneX and NAM are simply useless (QC lacks quality verbs and delays that most bands can't live without, and the buttons are too close for good stage ergonomics).

The QC doesn't lack quality reverbs. I just sold mine, but the reverbs on it were very usable. There just aren't enough of them. Likewise for delays.

NAM is not really a viable product in my eyes. It is a great sounding research piece. But it won't ever be a product until one of these companies puts it in a box.

IMO, Kemper has no live gig competition. Everything else has lesser capabilities overall (even Fractal, but it is admittedly close).

You've stumped me there. I don't understand how you could say an Axe FX III has lesser capabilities overall, because it simply doesn't. You could run a 4 piece band through a single Axe FX III, with each member getting their own amp and selection of effects.

To my mind, Kemper has had their day. They really need to innovate and come out with a worthy successor, or they're toast.