Hotone Ampero II Stage MP-380

I've always pushed people towards the Hotone Stomp II as the best budget modeler overall. Its an absolutely killer unit. The stock presets are decent, but if you spend a little time dialing things in yourself you can make it sound even better. The workflow is fast too, way faster than my FM3.

However, with the release of the Boss GX-10, there are more and more products contending for similar space. I haven't played the GX-10 yet, but I would be compelled to also check it out if I was shopping for a budget modeler...
 
They just released the tone catch

And a few updates address CPU limitations and especially the cabs, this a big step as the cabs are quite good if they get the latency down to the Helix amp / cab
That will be a big win

1.Significantly optimized the latency of the CAB module

2.Reduced the system resource utilization of the IR module
 
They just released the tone catch

And a few updates address CPU limitations and especially the cabs, this a big step as the cabs are quite good if they get the latency down to the Helix amp / cab
That will be a big win

1.Significantly optimized the latency of the CAB module

2.Reduced the system resource utilization of the IR module
I generally preferred their cab models over most IRs, so this is good to hear! I think that a small portion of the Hotone magic mojo resides in the way they do their cabinet modeling.
 
I generally preferred their cab models over most IRs, so this is good to hear! I think that a small portion of the Hotone magic mojo resides in the way they do their cabinet modeling.
It cool to show they are listening and working to improve that the tone catch vids startling to trickle out sound decent to

 
FYI, the Ampero 2 Stomp and Stage are on sale in the US. If you've been interested in trying them out, that's a great price.

Stomp

Stage
 
Hi, everyone! New member here, thanks for having me!

I currently use a Line 6 Helix Floor as my main board, using it in 4CM with a Hughes and Kettner Grandmeister 40 Deluxe amp head, which the Helix has MIDI control for channel switching.

My rehearsal/backup board is a Headrush MX5, plugged into the FX-Loop of valve amps.

Been looking at the Ampero 2 Stage and one -or even two- Ampero 2 Press expression pedals as a possible "best of both worlds" scenario, replacing my current boards for space and cost reasons.

But I have the following questions, for which my Google searches turned up empty:

1 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage send MIDI Program Change messages when switching Presets/Scenes?
2 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage use two separate expression pedals for independent Volume and Wah control?
3 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be set up for the Ampero 2 Press to work as a switchless Wah (the Helix can do this) - meaning the Wah effect only comes on when the expression pedal is moved forward?
4 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be set up for the Ampero 2 Press - which I think has both Toe and Heel switches - to turn the Tuner on when the Heel switch is pressed?
5 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be powered by an external power supply?

Sorry for the long post! Thanks in advance!
 
Hi, everyone! New member here, thanks for having me!

I currently use a Line 6 Helix Floor as my main board, using it in 4CM with a Hughes and Kettner Grandmeister 40 Deluxe amp head, which the Helix has MIDI control for channel switching.

My rehearsal/backup board is a Headrush MX5, plugged into the FX-Loop of valve amps.

Been looking at the Ampero 2 Stage and one -or even two- Ampero 2 Press expression pedals as a possible "best of both worlds" scenario, replacing my current boards for space and cost reasons.

But I have the following questions, for which my Google searches turned up empty:

1 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage send MIDI Program Change messages when switching Presets/Scenes?
2 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage use two separate expression pedals for independent Volume and Wah control?
3 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be set up for the Ampero 2 Press to work as a switchless Wah (the Helix can do this) - meaning the Wah effect only comes on when the expression pedal is moved forward?
4 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be set up for the Ampero 2 Press - which I think has both Toe and Heel switches - to turn the Tuner on when the Heel switch is pressed?
5 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be powered by an external power supply?

Sorry for the long post! Thanks in advance!
Be careful, the Stage is severely anemic compared to the Helix. Add a captured amp, there goes 75% of your DSP. I'm not hating on the Ampero (I'm an authorized dealer), just be aware of what you are buying.
 
Be careful, the Stage is severely anemic compared to the Helix. Add a captured amp, there goes 75% of your DSP. I'm not hating on the Ampero (I'm an authorized dealer), just be aware of what you are buying.
Really it looked like one clip I saw they had 2 captures
Delay verb boost eq Mod
 
Be careful, the Stage is severely anemic compared to the Helix. Add a captured amp, there goes 75% of your DSP. I'm not hating on the Ampero (I'm an authorized dealer), just be aware of what you are buying.
I'm aware of that, and the capture function isn't something that truly appeals to me.
 
1 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage send MIDI Program Change messages when switching Presets/Scenes?
Yes. The A2 Stomp that I own does not have this feature yet, but it is on the A2 Stage. You can send up to 6 MIDI PC/CC messages on preset change. See the Stage manual page 55 / Patch MIDI.
2 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage use two separate expression pedals for independent Volume and Wah control?
I think you can. It has two EXP jacks, but the manual is not very clear about how to handle them. On my A2 Stomp, the single jack can be used for single expression pedal or single/dual footswitch. the A2 Stage seems to have an EXP 3 mode that would make the jack work like another expression pedal.

So to my understanding you set jack 1 to EXP 1/2 and jack 2 to EXP 3 to use two expression pedals. Then you assign them per preset to whatever you want.

3 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be set up for the Ampero 2 Press to work as a switchless Wah (the Helix can do this) - meaning the Wah effect only comes on when the expression pedal is moved forward?
No. It does not seem to have any auto-engage functionality unfortunately. You need to use scenes or other methods to activate your wah before being able to use it.

4 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be set up for the Ampero 2 Press - which I think has both Toe and Heel switches - to turn the Tuner on when the Heel switch is pressed?
The A2 Press afaik only has a toe switch. I think Hotone's intended use for it is to toggle between EXP 1/2 (switchable sets of 4 target paramers each) on the Ampero 2, so you can use one expression pedal for dual purposes, e.g switch between volume vs wah where you assing EXP 1 to control volume and EXP 2 to control Wah block's Position parameter. You can assign the switch functionality to tuner if you want.

5 - Can the Ampero 2 Stage be powered by an external power supply?
Yes, but you will need a beefy one, and to combine multiple 9V outputs. The A2 Stomp uses only 9V, 800 mA, but the Stage requires 9V, 1400 mA.

I always recommend CIOKS power supplies, and the DC7/Sol/4 Expander can do 660 mA from one 9V output. I think that's one of the highest I've seen.

Stage could in theory run at slightly less than 1.4 mA, so maybe one of these PSUs with the Cioks 8800 Parallel Adapter that combines two outputs for 1320 mA. A more certain option would be the DC7 + CIOKS Crux which uses the DC7's 24V output to deliver up to 9V, 2700 mA.

If this seems like a lot of expense, at least the A2 Stomp PSU is pretty compact and could easily fit under most pedalboards. The A2 Stage power supply looks like it could be the same or only marginally larger. The power cable is a bit short though, and annoyingly uses a less common 3-prong connector at the PSU end instead of a standard IEC.
 
Yes, but you will need a beefy one, and to combine multiple 9V outputs. The A2 Stomp uses only 9V, 800 mA, but the Stage requires 9V, 1400 mA.

I always recommend CIOKS power supplies, and the DC7/Sol/4 Expander can do 660 mA from one 9V output. I think that's one of the highest I've seen.

Mine is powered no problem at all with a simple True Tone 1-Spot. Works perfectly every time.
 
Yeah that's always the option too, but then you could just use the included power supply. I understood OP's usecase is "one power supply for Ampero + pedals".
@laxu thanks so much for your input! Not only you understood my intended power supply usage, but you answered all of my questions very comprehensively!

May I ask you how prolonged is the gap when switching presets? Guess the A2 Stomp you own and the Stage use the same processor, so it will be the same for both units...

MIDI PC on scenes would be an added bonus, but at least on Preset change is good enough for me, as not to render my valve amp useless...
 
May I ask you how prolonged is the gap when switching presets? Guess the A2 Stomp you own and the Stage use the same processor, so it will be the same for both units...
I think it's very close to gapless switching presets.

MIDI PC on scenes would be an added bonus, but at least on Preset change is good enough for me, as not to render my valve amp useless...
Actually you can do this! It's page 53 in the manual, footswitch MIDI. You can send up to 3 messages on footswitch press, and this seems to be along with the footswitch function.

The Footswitch MIDI will only be active when the pedal function is set to Effect Slot, Scene, or OFF.
 
@laxu thanks once again!

I was actually reading page 55 of the manual just now and saw that! And when I got here saw your post!

Off to have "the talk" with my wife. Saw a few promos online, might be the right moment to buy one, but will be keep my gear before I decide on what to keep. But the A2 Stage seems to suit my needs just perfectly, and if I build a board around it (my gear mainstays are a DigiTech Drop, a DigiTech Freqout, a Shure GLXD16 and a Harley Benton PowerPlant ISO-1AC Pro Modular (which handles the aforementioned gear connected to the 9V outs, and, with an IEC C13 to IEC C14 adapter), I will only have to buy a Rockboard 3.1 pedalboard.

If I go this way, selling the Helix, it's accessories and the MX5 will probably cover the overall cost of the A2 Stage investment, and will probably allow me to spend the leftover cash on a Fender Tonemaster FR-12...
 
@laxu thanks once again!

I was actually reading page 55 of the manual just now and saw that! And when I got here saw your post!

Off to have "the talk" with my wife. Saw a few promos online, might be the right moment to buy one, but will be keep my gear before I decide on what to keep. But the A2 Stage seems to suit my needs just perfectly, and if I build a board around it (my gear mainstays are a DigiTech Drop, a DigiTech Freqout, a Shure GLXD16 and a Harley Benton PowerPlant ISO-1AC Pro Modular (which handles the aforementioned gear connected to the 9V outs, and, with an IEC C13 to IEC C14 adapter), I will only have to buy a Rockboard 3.1 pedalboard.

If I go this way, selling the Helix, it's accessories and the MX5 will probably cover the overall cost of the A2 Stage investment, and will probably allow me to spend the leftover cash on a Fender Tonemaster FR-12...
Just throwing this out there, I think it would be a huge mistake to go with the Ampero Stage and other pedals over the Helix.
 
My only issue with the Helix is the weight of the damn thing, and with some health issues, and the number of bands I'm playing in, carrying it (and my other pedals/gear) is truly a chore. And in the town I live in I can't justify getting a car and driving around.

I can live with tonal compromise, but not with all the rest.
 
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