Two Notes GENOME hardware, amateur product manager edition

[Ross Davies]

Amazing feedback here guys! Thank you so much! All noted down for review with our dev team. Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

 

[2dor]

Amazing feedback here guys! Thank you so much! All noted down for review with our dev team. Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

Good question. If it's a floor unit (smaller) and there's a roadmap of updates like Line6 or Fractal, anywhere between the 1,000 - 1,500 EUR would be an easier pill to swallow for most.
It depends on what eventually makes it into the unit, ease-of-use and how it sounds.

If it's going to be just one unit (like Fender did with the ToneMaster Pro), pricing it right is critical. If there's a suite of units (ie. Line6 Helix), then some of the "fat" could be trimmed for wider adoption on a lower price point (FM3 vs FM9 vs Axe FX).

We've also seen somewhat of a success in what NDSP did with their plugins which can be used on the Quad Cortex. If done right, that could work since you have the Genome software for desktop; I say could because there's always a risk of the temptation to withold updates from customers of the hardware unit & force it down as paid DLC (for instance, I haven't seen too many new amps added to the Quad Cortex vs the ones it launched with).

 

[laxu]

Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

I think it comes down to how powerful it is. In my posts I've imagined it a lot like a "Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp Mk2" type device in terms of hardware, and that's a roughly 400-450 € box. So with more processing power, maybe a 700-1000 € price point?

I can't say much about the Genome tones atm. I haven't been able to try Genome even once since it released. It would not let me log in, and resets from your helpdesk have just ended up with "your 14-day trial has expired" state. I hope they can solve it as I'd love to take it for a spin.

 

[mikah912]

Amazing feedback here guys! Thank you so much! All noted down for review with our dev team. Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

I think @2dor nailed it with the $1000-$1500 price range. Essentially, something like the new Darkglass Anagram, but with more than three footswitches. They're around $1000-$1100. I'd expect yours to be in the same ballpark or slightly above it.

 

[nicolasrivera]

Amazing feedback here guys! Thank you so much! All noted down for review with our dev team. Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

Darkglass is the perfect example! today they have released ANAGRAM, its $1,199.99 in the USA. By what i have seen in the few videos it is a powerfull future proof unit. So this amount of money is whats expected for a powerfull future and feauture proof unit that will get firmware development support over the next 5 years minimum.

 

[[Nathan]]

For the Genome crowd, what input level/spec are you using for the Amplifier models? According to the spreadsheet info we have the level should be around +10.2dBu. When I use that level things are still sounding undergained to me. There's a bunch of nifty features in Genome but when I can't get the base levels/sound right it throws me off for the rest of it. If anyone has tips for this that would be great. I'll do up a quick screengrab to show what I'm hearing compared to some other amp sims

 

[[Nathan]]

I dont normally nerd out like this because I can find levels or set them by ear, but something about the Genome models I cant seem to get quite right so here we are.

Guitar recorded at +13dbu and NDSP/STL/NAM are adjusted to this input spec
According to the info we have, Genome needs +2.8 to hit +10.2dBu which is what I've set it to (This could be wrong and is essentially my question here)

All the models are feeding into Cabinetron to use the same IR. None of the amps are running pedals or post processing. I didn't really dial them in to sound insanely similar, just ballpark stuff and levelled by ear so we can hear a gain comparison where Genome seems to be lacking (due to levels I'm guessing). I've played around with the gain in the amp as well as the plugin input and I can sort of get things a bit better by guessing and feathering those... but I figure this should be a pretty easy set and forget and im not sure what the discrepancy is. If I leave the input here at +2.8 and turn the gain to 10 on the amp, it kind of sounds similar to Middleton but I've used this stuff enough to know that its off when doing that.

I've been meaning to email support/ask this question here but I don't use it much and if I can figure this out it would be pretty handy to get some mileage out of it

 

[Ross Davies]

I think it comes down to how powerful it is. In my posts I've imagined it a lot like a "Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp Mk2" type device in terms of hardware, and that's a roughly 400-450 € box. So with more processing power, maybe a 700-1000 € price point?

I can't say much about the Genome tones atm. I haven't been able to try Genome even once since it released. It would not let me log in, and resets from your helpdesk have just ended up with "your 14-day trial has expired" state. I hope they can solve it as I'd love to take it for a spin.

Sorry to hear this; Do you have a ticket number? If you send it over to me, I can get this chased up for you!

 

[Ross Davies]

I dont normally nerd out like this because I can find levels or set them by ear, but something about the Genome models I cant seem to get quite right so here we are.

Guitar recorded at +13dbu and NDSP/STL/NAM are adjusted to this input spec
According to the info we have, Genome needs +2.8 to hit +10.2dBu which is what I've set it to (This could be wrong and is essentially my question here)

All the models are feeding into Cabinetron to use the same IR. None of the amps are running pedals or post processing. I didn't really dial them in to sound insanely similar, just ballpark stuff and levelled by ear so we can hear a gain comparison where Genome seems to be lacking (due to levels I'm guessing). I've played around with the gain in the amp as well as the plugin input and I can sort of get things a bit better by guessing and feathering those... but I figure this should be a pretty easy set and forget and im not sure what the discrepancy is. If I leave the input here at +2.8 and turn the gain to 10 on the amp, it kind of sounds similar to Middleton but I've used this stuff enough to know that its off when doing that.

I've been meaning to email support/ask this question here but I don't use it much and if I can figure this out it would be pretty handy to get some mileage out of it

Thanks for getting in touch. Just to confirm, have you calibrated GENOME as per our article here: https://helpdesk.two-notes.com/portal/en/kb/articles/calibrating-genome-s-input-your-audio-interface

 

[Ross Davies]

Thanks so much for this feedback guys! It is all noted down and you can be sure I will be sending this to our Dev team. In terms of the I/Os, what are you preferences? Similarly, in terms of control, how many Footswitches are essential and do you need an EXP Pedal?

 

[laxu]

Sorry to hear this; Do you have a ticket number? If you send it over to me, I can get this chased up for you!

Thanks! It's #6195.

They tried resetting the license a few times already but for some reason it still shows up just that it's expired. I tried reinstalling Genome from scratch, deleting everything I could find related to it from my Mac.

 

[laxu]

Thanks so much for this feedback guys! It is all noted down and you can be sure I will be sending this to our Dev team. In terms of the I/Os, what are you preferences? Similarly, in terms of control, how many Footswitches are essential and do you need an EXP Pedal?

• Minimum: Mono in, stereo out, MIDI in, USB-C, headphones.
• Better: Stereo in/out, MIDI in/out, USB-C, headphones, EXP in for at least one pedal.
• Even better: Stereo in/out, MIDI in/out, USB-C, headphones, EXP for 2 pedals, fx loop. Bonus points for stereo fx loop.

For footswitches, 3 minimum, preferably more. Depends on how programmable they are.

Depends a lot on the size of the unit what can reasonably fit and what makes sense.

I don't see how e.g a HX Stomp/Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp size box can fit more than 3 footswitches without requiring something like these to press:

 

[[Nathan]]

Thanks for getting in touch. Just to confirm, have you calibrated GENOME as per our article here: https://helpdesk.two-notes.com/portal/en/kb/articles/calibrating-genome-s-input-your-audio-interface

10 points to Gryffindor for this article, top tier… genuinely haven’t seen better from an amp sim release.
Ive got the value set right (you can see it in the video). I’m using an RME which is using +13dBu, to get the level I’m adjusting by +2.8 in the plugin.

 

[GTR37]

• Minimum: Mono in, stereo out, MIDI in, USB-C, headphones.
• Better: Stereo in/out, MIDI in/out, USB-C, headphones, EXP in for at least one pedal.
• Even better: Stereo in/out, MIDI in/out, USB-C, headphones, EXP for 2 pedals, fx loop. Bonus points for stereo fx loop.

For footswitches, 3 minimum, preferably more. Depends on how programmable they are.

Depends a lot on the size of the unit what can reasonably fit and what makes sense.

I don't see how e.g a HX Stomp/Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp size box can fit more than 3 footswitches without requiring something like these to press:

Do you have a link for those ?

 

[laxu]

Do you have a link for those ?

The boots? Just google image search "Mexican boots".

 

[Ross Davies]

Thanks! It's #6195.

They tried resetting the license a few times already but for some reason it still shows up just that it's expired. I tried reinstalling Genome from scratch, deleting everything I could find related to it from my Mac.

Thanks for confirming - I have just given our support team a nudge to push this to the top of the queue!

 

[Ross Davies]

The boots? Just google image search "Mexican boots".

Mighty fine boots if I dont say so myself!

 

[Ross Davies]

10 points to Gryffindor for this article, top tier… genuinely haven’t seen better from an amp sim release.
Ive got the value set right (you can see it in the video). I’m using an RME which is using +13dBu, to get the level I’m adjusting by +2.8 in the plugin.

Thanks for getting back to me. Hmm, that is pretty strange - what happens if you push the gain transparently pre the Amp using the V-1 Pedal? Does this get you where you need to be?

 

[Ross Davies]

• Minimum: Mono in, stereo out, MIDI in, USB-C, headphones.
• Better: Stereo in/out, MIDI in/out, USB-C, headphones, EXP in for at least one pedal.
• Even better: Stereo in/out, MIDI in/out, USB-C, headphones, EXP for 2 pedals, fx loop. Bonus points for stereo fx loop.

For footswitches, 3 minimum, preferably more. Depends on how programmable they are.

Depends a lot on the size of the unit what can reasonably fit and what makes sense.

I don't see how e.g a HX Stomp/Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp size box can fit more than 3 footswitches without requiring something like these to press:

Awesome! Thanks for that! Anyone else got any requests / suggestions?