Fractal Talk

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

Except for those crazies that want a touch screen!

I just meant the one sound The Fender could get that you couldn't get on the Fractal. Now it's pretty much a wash.

 

[TubeStack]

Now it's pretty much a wash.

Isn’t more of a drip?

 

[marsonic]

Fender don't know gain.

You've never heard one of the late tweed amps turned all the way up, have you?

 

[GTR37]

You've never heard one of the late tweed amps turned all the way up, have you?

I have and it sounded like farts
I

 

[State of Epicicity]

I mean, this is what I don't get. You get perfect Fenders from Fractal, and on top of them, you can mod the hell out of them. If there's an amp response you have in your head, Fractal has the tools to get there; you just have to learn which knobs to turn.

I totally understand the appeal of a UI that doesn't take a manual to get around, but to be this is also part of the appeal. Professionals in many fields navigate complex equipment that takes special training and niche understanding. The same is true in audio.

I think the deal with the Tone Master Pro is a conflation of pro pricing with consumer quality. The emphasis on style over substance. The spartan UI of Fractal tells me it's serious. My two cents.

 

[mikah912]

Except for those crazies that want a touch screen!

Touchscreens are ok, but creating a real-time Bluetooth app controller solution lets you use existing hardware and a waaaaaaaaaaay better touchscreen that's not on the floor and can't get beer spilled on it: your phone

 

[marsonic]

I have and it sounded like farts
I

So, it was a Deluxe, then.

 

[GTR37]

So, it was a Deluxe, then.

Those to , to me other than
Maybe a Supersonic , a pro sonic
If I turn up the gain and bass it does undesirable things ( I am strictly talking from a modern hard rock player’s standpoint)
Fenders just don’t breakup when pushed the same way Marshall’s do
And that’s a good thing for some styles , not so great for others

 

[marsonic]

If I turn up the gain and bass it does undesirable things ( I am strictly talking from a modern hard rock player’s standpoint)

Agreed there. Gain up bass down (it won't actually remove the low end, it just doesn't far out), OTOH, is a glorious sound. With Celestions and to my ears, it's not that dissimilar to a cranked JTM/Plexi era Marshall...not modern, but definitely the start of that sound and not what you're describing.

Tweed Deluxes won't do it. Bandmasters kinda will. High Power Twin and Bassman absolutely will. IMHO the downfall of those amps is the Jensens most people seem to leave in them. Well...that and the HP Twin can hit about 110dB clean. But, one of the best amps I've played IRL was a Goodsell Bassman clone with WGS 10" Green Berets (which are 10" copies of greenbacks).

 

[la szum]

You've never heard one of the late tweed amps turned all the way up, have you?

Yeah, this has been said to me before Mr. Neil Young.

 

[Warmart]

Today this Fractal noob figured out a weird issue. The short version is to not set your volume pedal to "Input 1", use "Output 1".

 

[DrewJD82]

I thought that old school Fender dirt sounded like straight shit until the last year. I didn’t get it. Now I absolutely love it. I can totally blame Emerald City Guitars and that dude Aaron Hebert who mostly demos their Strats. I love all of it, too, Deluxe’s, Bassmnan’s, Vibroverb’s, etc. Just like I dig the differences between a Mark IV and a Dual Rec, it’s all relative.

‘54 Custom Color Strat into a ‘64 Deluxe


Vibroverb-


It’s almost as if the sound coming out of the amp changes depending on what he does with his hands.

 

[la szum]

Yeah, I don't count that 50's and 60's gain as "gain," and is not part of what my point was, or still is.

I know it is "gain," technically speaking.

By "gain" I meant the era of ever increasing gain stages cascaded into one another. Apart from a couple of
oddball offerings Fender has struggled with that when you consider those amps with the drippy badge on
them.

And yeah, for sure, those tones where you can ride your hands for variations in breakup is

Apart from super compressed chugging I want that available when I play all the time.

 

[Stratzrus]

Maybe a Supersonic , a pro sonic

I'm a big fan of the Prosonic. I've got two of the combos, one a Custom Shop first run red one that looks like a road worn version of the amp pictured below.

I put two EVM 10Ls that I got from Paul Rivera in the black one and it sounds great at concert volume. Wide variety of gain tones from overdrive to modern high gain.

It has a few quirks so I sent it to Blackie Pagano to do the Zinky and Tech Notes upgrades to eliminate the reverb noise and channel switching pop. The EVs make it a heavy lift but it's a killer amp to gig with. I wish Fractal had an amp block model of it.

 

[Foxmeister]

The FM9 has an embarrassment of great amps at the same price.

Outside the US, the FM9 is considerably more expensive - for example, here in the UK, the FM9T is £1999 and an FM3T is £1249, whereas you can pick up a TMP for £1399 (cheapest price I could find).

The FM9 still offers "more" though, so you could still say that it offers better "value".

And the new spring reverb closes the one remaining gap to a simple preference one way or another.

Has it been confirmed that the new springs will make it to the FM series?

 

[Stone]

Outside the US, the FM9 is considerably more expensive - for example, here in the UK, the FM9T is £1999 and an FM3T is £1249, whereas you can pick up a TMP for £1399 (cheapest price I could find).

The FM9 still offers "more" though, so you could still say that it offers better "value".


Has it been confirmed that the new springs will make it to the FM series?

No but then again neither was Dynacabs confirmed to trickle down upon Initial beta release
I highly suspect the new firmware will make it to FM9 and 3
But thats just an educated guess

 

[DrewJD82]

Nothing really gets confirmed for the FM’s until a beta drops for an FM with the new functions in it, at most Cliff’s speculated about the possibilities of the new stuff making it to the FM’s but he’s smart enough to not write checks they can’t cash!

 

[Foxmeister]

Yeah, I had a friend that’s a former Fender employee confirm that. He claims the dude isn’t quite the retread as others claimed, but that could definitely be bias showing.

Not a bad CV* to be honest...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxgutn...ia&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=android_app

* That would be résumé to people over the other side of the pond!

 

[Bob Zaod]

I have and it sounded like farts
I

Never got it either. I think most Class A amps cranked, sound like farts. Especially smaller ones.

 

[laxu]

Tweed amps have to be handled a bit like fuzz pedals. They can sound like crap if you run your guitar volume on 10 all the time, but roll it back a bit and you get something nice that doesn't fart out. I like that sound, it's very "raw".