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I have an Axe FX III and a FM9. If I took one of the classes would it cover the other?

I assume the FM9 class has info on programming the footswitch that isn't in the III class. Does the III class cover programming the FC-12? Are there things omitted in the FM9 class that pertain to the III?

I can't see taking both. If I had to take one or the other which would be the better choice since I have both units?
The FCs are apparently covered in the Axe Fx III course as shown above.

The FM9 and FC switches are programmed the same and are functionally equivalent.
 
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For whoever's interested, here's the current curriculum for the Axe-FX III Masterclass:

Introduction & Philosophy
The Axe-Fx III in 2023 - Welcome to v3.0
Introduction & Philosophy

Setup & Global Settings
Initial Setup & Gear Considerations
The Input Screen
Audio & USB/AES Settings
FC Controller Settings
Global Settings
The Pedal Page
MIDI/Remote Settings
Utilities
The Tuner

Basics of the Grid & Dialing in a Clean Tone
Routing Best Practices & Templates
The IR Capture Screen
Dialing in a Clean Tone
Adding in Reverb
Dialing in Compression
The Basics of Delay
Dialing in Chorus & Further Refinements
The Perform Tabs

Dialing in an Edge of Breakup Tone
Dialing in an Edge of Breakup Tone Pt. I
Dialing in an Edge of Breakup Tone Pt...
Organic Reverb Techniques
Exploring Compression
Exploring Edge of Breakup Drive
Creating an Ambient Space
Tremolo
The Rotary Speaker
The Perform Tab

Dialing in a Classic Rock Tone
Introduction to Dialing in a Classic ...
Dialing in a Classic Rock Tone
Exploring Drives & Reverbs
Delays
Exploring Thickening Effects
The Perform Tab
Dialing in a High Gain Tone

Dialing in a High Gain Tone
The Noise Gate
Dialing in Delay & Reverb
Making It Sound Huge
Exploring the Enhancer
Flangers
Exploring the Plex Delay
Dialing in a Wah Pedal
The Perform Tab

Introduction to Scenes & Channels
Introduction to Scenes and Channels
The Block Library & Global Blocks
Consolidating Four Presets into One R...
Special Considerations with Scenes & ...
Exploring Wah Channels
Best Practices for Presets with Scenes
Thoughts on Consolidating Presets

Building a Live Preset with Scenes
Dialing in a Live Tone
Refining a Live Tone
Exploring the Compressor
Sculpting a Lead
Adding More Effects
Exploring the Rotary
Even More Effects
Building Gig Scenes
The Virtual Capo & Pitch Block
High & Low Cutting the Cabinet Block ...
Live Performance Controls

Recreating the "Amp in the Room" Sound
Introduction to Recreating the "Amp i...
Recreating the Amp in the Room Sound ...

Exploring Amp Parameters
Exploring Advanced Amp Parameters
Exploring Supply Sag
Exploring the Variac

Using Multiple Amps
Introduction to Using Multiple Amps
Setting Up Eight Amps in One Preset
Live Mixing Between Amps

Creating a "Sound on Sound"
Creating a Sound on Sound Pt. I - Dia...
Creating a Sound on Sound Pt. II - Im...

Using Multiple Inputs for Multiple Instruments
Introduction to Multiple Inputs & Run...
Running an Acoustic & an Electric Gui...
Running Two Guitarists into the Axe-F...
Running a Guitar & a Bass into the Ax...
Running a Full Band on One Axe-Fx III

Building Different Physical Rigs
Introduction to Multiple Outputs & Ut...
Using the Axe-Fx III with a Solid Sta...
Using the Axe-Fx III with a Tube Powe...
Using the Axe-Fx III with an ""FRFR"" Sys...
Using the Axe-Fx III with an ""FRFR"" Sys...

Using the Axe-Fx III as an Effects-Only Unit
Using the Axe-Fx III as the Ultimate ...
Using the Axe-Fx III as an FX Loop On...
Using the Axe-Fx III in Front of an Amp

External Control with Pedals
Introduction to External Control with...
Creating a Whammy Pedal
Creating a 'Talkbox' Formant Pedal
Controlling Amp Gain with a Pedal
Controlling Delays with a Pedal

Using the FC Foot Controllers
Introduction to the FC Controllers
FC Layouts 1-5 - The Presets, Scenes,...
FC Layout 6 - The Per-Preset Layout
FC Layouts 7 & 8 - The Perform Layouts
Customizing Multiple Live Layouts - A...
Stand-In Switches, Pedals & Further R...
The JP IIC+ Preset
FC-6 vs. FC-12 Considerations
Using Multiple FC Pedals Pt. I
Using Multiple FC Controllers Pt. II

The Internal Controllers Suite
Exploring Low Frequency Oscillators (...
Exploring Low Frequency Oscillators (...
Exploring the Envelope Follower Pt. I
Exploring the Envelope Follower Pt. II
Exploring the ADSR
The 'Auto Koto' - Advanced Controller...
Exploring the Sequencer
Exploring the Pitch Follower
Creating a Dynamic Lead with the Pitc...
Creating a Synth Lead with the Pitch ...
Exploring Scene Controllers
Automating Tone with Scene Controllers
Applying Scene Controllers to the Sou...
Exploring Control Switches Pt. I
Exploring Control Switches Pt. II

Tone Matching
Introduction to Tone Matching
Tone Matching a Recorded Electric Tone
Tone Matching High Gain Tones
Tone Matching an Acoustic Guitar
Turning an Electric Guitar into an Ac...

Reamping
Introduction to Reamping
Setting Up for Reamping
Reamping with the Axe-Fx
Live Reamping via USB

Controlling the Axe-Fx with a DAW
Setting Up to Control the Axe-Fx with...
Creating a Preset to Control with a DAW
Automating Scene Changes with a DAW
Automating a Wah (Or Anything Else!) ...
Creating Live Harmony Lines with the ...

Managing Presets & Cabs, Wrapping Up & Further Exploration
Managing Presets
Managing Cabs
Wrapping Up & Further Exploration
One Final Experiment - Wandering Thro...

Wow! I've been a Fractal user for probably 10 years now, and I always thought I probably don't need Cooper's course cos I figure most things out. But looking through that curriculum has changed my mind now. Especially keen to see what Coop does for the "Dialling in.." sections.

There is a lot more in there than I thought there was!
 
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I took Cooper's AxeIII class and it was great! Exactly what I needed. I got my Axe in late Dec '21. Spent about 2 months getting to know it by RTFMing and playing with stuff. I am a bit of an exception in the sense that I had at that time, approximately zero experience with amps, pedals, modelers, etc. So I had no pre-conditioned expectations of "this should do that" or "that should do something else". I was a fresh sponge. After I got to know the modeler and had built my own presets that I thought sounded amazing, I then took CC's class and was able to tweak them to a point where they sounded UBER amazing!! And now, after 2.5 years, I have tones that the gods themselves would betray Zeus for, simply to have a taste of it's beauty ;~))

Things I really liked about the CC Master Class were:
- Very well organized
- Real world examples (he has read the manual AND UNDERSTANDS IT ALL and has translated it into real world use scenarios)
- He is well spoken and does a great job of putting complexities into terms I can understand
- Gave me dozens of ideas of stuff to apply his shared knowledge to (not that I have done all that work)
- I thought the $120 I paid was a very fair price. I had just spent $3k on a AxeIII Turbo, FC12 and EV2, and I thought I should learn it best I can ;~))
- He is an excellent player who is a pleasure to hear in the presentations IMO!

There is a lot of other good content out there of course for free as has been mentioned! The LEGEND of all legends of course, Mr. Leon Todd. Marco Fantons' stuff is always very good as well IMO. That is about as far as I have gone down the learning the Axe rabbit hole. I'd rather play than tweak (don't have the spare time to commit to both). But I am sooooooooo glad all that stuff exists so that when I do want to tweak, I can get my freak on via the freebies and/or the paid content ;~)) I am ready to create a new kitchen sink, so I will probably be going through some of the class stuff again real soon ;~))

I hope he adds a "Dyna Cabs" chapter "soon" as he has been hinting of it for long time! I also would like to see him do chapters on "The Blues Sound" and "The Jazz Sound" (we already have several other genres covered with their own chapters)! I also think a section of a chapter near the very beginning could be about the basic rules of a guitar signal chain. Like where compressors normally go, delay effects, things like that. General reasons why things go in certain orders and what the results can do for the better or worse. Yes, a user can experiment with it until happy, but part of what you are paying for with something like this is the experience and knowledge of a player who really knows what he is talking about! Anyway, I think that would be a great addition to the class which experienced users can easily skip!

As for Axe or FM9 class, as UnixGuy said, the switches are no different. You are limited on processing power, a few blocks and inputs/outputs (which I am sure you know considering you own both). Other than that, FM9 is the same as running a Axe with a FC12 or FC6 and there is an entire chapter on how to work with those FC's, knowledge which will translate flawlessly to the FM9 as will 99% of other course material!!! Take the Axe Master Class!
 
Oh wow I thought it would be a bit longer wait to get all that stuff in there
FAS blue stealth sounds great in LT clip above can’t wait to check that out this weekend
 
I love that tone , it’s like between the blue and red stealth but with more mid punch and lows
Also sounds like a perfect modded Recto

Crazy good stuff! I guess I'll grab that new beta firmware tonight.

I think I'll run right to slapping the Grinder boost in the preamp block, though. That base FAS Stealth Blue tone got that gyatt, as my middle school son would say....
 
If FractalBot doesn’t push it, it ain’t for me. :ROFLMAO:

The public beta firmware versions are pretty safe. So long as you backup you system settings and the presets you care about there is essentially no risk. If it causes a problem you can roll back and restore your system with the backup files. The few times there have been serious concerns they will pull the beta and post a fixed version ASAP.
 
The public beta firmware versions are pretty safe. So long as you backup you system settings and the presets you care about there is essentially no risk. If it causes a problem you can roll back and restore your system with the backup files. The few times there have been serious concerns they will pull the beta and post a fixed version ASAP.
Backup, never heard about it.. :D

I've been installing all betas since 2020 and once the tuner didn't mute, and sometimes an amp can have a parameter that's off, never had any issues.
And I haven't done a backup even once.
 
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