Fractal Audio Firmware Update Thread

[Stone]

All the time , they just did
Spring reverbs were not in beta 1

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[holoholo]

I had a gig this afternoon, after 2 yesterday so I only just had a chance to get into the studio and make boingy noises. That Studio Spring is LUSH.

Wow that was drippy AF

 

[dk_ace]

Auditioning all new spring reverb types, default settings, before the amp.
Sorry for cross-posting.

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I had a gig this afternoon, after 2 yesterday so I only just had a chance to get into the studio and make boingy noises. That Studio Spring is LUSH.

Thank you both! I’ll want to turn some knobs a little, but the character of those spring sounds is definitely something I can work with. I think my ideal sounds are probably in there now with a minimum of fuss. I hadn’t found a fractal spring reverb clip before this that I really liked very much. Was hoping I could crank out one or two sounds that were good enough, now I don’t see any reason to be hesitant for spring sounds.

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[AutomationBias]

Next update: spring reverb makes a shit ton of noise if you accidentally kick your FC12

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

Next update: spring reverb makes a shit ton of noise if you accidentally kick your FC12

You could add it via a scene controller for an authentic spring reverb disaster.

I used to use the spring reverb on my Dual Showman Reverb when I played in a country band in the '80's.
On some of the shit kickers when the dance floor was humming, I'd have to turn it off because it would go nuclear.

At least we don't have to listen to crap about the spring reverb in the Turd Blaster Bro anymore. I love it when Cliff says "hold my beer".

 

[laxu]

The new one spring reverbs definitely have more dimension, "drip" or "boing" to them.

I do feel like the Fractal spring reverbs, old or new, are harder to use than what I have had on the Strymon Flint, built in real amp reverbs (analog or digital) or what I get from the spring reverb on my Strymon Volante.

Running the Fractal reverbs in front of an amp or after it, I have to keep the Fractal spring mix quite low, set more extreme EQ high cut or mess with the decay settings more. It's been a long time since I've used a real Blackface Fender so I can't say if this is how they work as well.

I compared the Volante and the new Fractal reverbs and the big difference is the Volante spring is super dark in comparison. As long as you don't turn the spring decay secondary parameter too high, you can set the reverb mix to quite high settings without overpowering the sound. But this might be because the Volante spring is meant to blend in with the delay so it has to be pretty dark.

This is in no way meant to diss the Fractal reverbs, they are definitely more "complex" sounding compared to the Volante and probably far more authentic as far as simulation goes - but I still like the sheer simplicity of the Volante in this regard.

 

[TJontheRoad]

Running the Fractal reverbs in front of an amp or after it, I have to keep the Fractal spring mix quite low, set more extreme EQ high cut or mess with the decay settings more. It's been a long time since I've used a real Blackface Fender so I can't say if this is how they work as well.

Try running the spring between the amp and cab block as it is in the real amps.

 

[fretworn]

Try running the spring between the amp and cab block as it is in the real amps.

Iirc, Cliff said the preamps were quite linear, so upfront pre power amp was the most correct placement per the actual amp topology.

 

[laxu]

Try running the spring between the amp and cab block as it is in the real amps.

You actually should run the spring reverb before the amp for authentic behavior.

Relevant quotes here: https://wiki.fractalaudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=Reverb_block#Reverb_block_position_on_the_grid

 

[fretworn]

The new one spring reverbs definitely have more dimension, "drip" or "boing" to them.

I do feel like the Fractal spring reverbs, old or new, are harder to use than what I have had on the Strymon Flint, built in real amp reverbs (analog or digital) or what I get from the spring reverb on my Strymon Volante.

Running the Fractal reverbs in front of an amp or after it, I have to keep the Fractal spring mix quite low, set more extreme EQ high cut or mess with the decay settings more. It's been a long time since I've used a real Blackface Fender so I can't say if this is how they work as well.

I compared the Volante and the new Fractal reverbs and the big difference is the Volante spring is super dark in comparison. As long as you don't turn the spring decay secondary parameter too high, you can set the reverb mix to quite high settings without overpowering the sound. But this might be because the Volante spring is meant to blend in with the delay so it has to be pretty dark.

This is in no way meant to diss the Fractal reverbs, they are definitely more "complex" sounding compared to the Volante and probably far more authentic as far as simulation goes - but I still like the sheer simplicity of the Volante in this regard.

I would much rather prefer to manage the EQ section on my own, versus some baked in notion of what gonna fit into which mix.

 

[laxu]

I would much rather prefer to manage the EQ section on my own, versus some baked in notion of what gonna fit into which mix.

Sure, if you don't mind the extra work of doing all that. Sometimes I like getting into the nitty gritty details too, sometimes I just want things simple and straightforward.

 

[fretworn]

Sure, if you don't mind the extra work of doing all that. Sometimes I like getting into the nitty gritty details too, sometimes I just want things simple and straightforward.

Eq so hard … lol

I already eq all my reverbs (and ducking); doesn’t everyone?

 

[Piing]

I already eq all my reverbs (and ducking); doesn’t everyone?

Always cut the bass and add some ducking

 

[TJontheRoad]

Iirc, Cliff said the preamps were quite linear, so upfront pre power amp was the most correct placement per the actual amp topology.

You actually should run the spring reverb before the amp for authentic behavior.

Relevant quotes here: https://wiki.fractalaudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=Reverb_block#Reverb_block_position_on_the_grid

While I don't disagree with linear preamp thing, it's only because the Fractal amps don't/can't separate the preamp from the power amp that this is the recommendation. And, it only speaks of Fender amps and not other amps with spring reverb. It also doesn't equate the effect of the cab on the reverb tone.

Again, I'm saying anyone or anyway is right or wrong. I just found and shared what works best for me. YMMV.

 

[Blix]

Sounds absolutely killer post cab, works for me.

 

[Will Chen]

Try running the spring between the amp and cab block as it is in the real amps.

You actually should run the spring reverb before the amp for authentic behavior.

Relevant quotes here: https://wiki.fractalaudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=Reverb_block#Reverb_block_position_on_the_grid

The great debate...

Most spring reverb junkies are looking to go way old school and get those surfy type tones from the days before tanks were even built into amps. That's the case where you want the spring block before the amp.

However...I don't think the average more modern player is going for that style/sound. If one is looking for a more modern spring sound (where...really I think most should be going for a plate or more realistic verb, but I digress) after the amp somewhere is the more correct placement. Before/after the cab block shouldn't matter as both the cab block and reverb should be linear.

 

[DrewJD82]

I'm diggin' this.

Studio Spring into a Vibroverb into the Bassman Dyancab and my Old Man Strat

 

[GTR37]

I'm diggin' this.

Studio Spring into a Vibroverb into the Bassman Dyancab and my Old Man Strat

That’s about as drippy as you need I would figure

 

[Whizzinby]

I'm diggin' this.

Studio Spring into a Vibroverb into the Bassman Dyancab and my Old Man Strat

 

[paisleywookiee]

You actually should run the spring reverb before the amp for authentic behavior.

Relevant quotes here: https://wiki.fractalaudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=Reverb_block#Reverb_block_position_on_the_grid

Eh, I’ve seen Cliff say that before, and while it’s true if you want it to be authentic to how people ran the old Reverb units like Fender into a Fender amp, yes. However, if you’re looking for a Mesa Lonestar tone with Spring reverb, it would be in after the amp. I actually do prefer it after the amp, personally.