Anybody else getting sick of modellers?

CorrosiveMatter said:
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Last night I had my first rehearsal with a Nano Cortex. I had to go direct to the mixer because there was only one amp for my buddy. It was not good. Sounding on a PA speaker, 3 meter away, and at moderate volume, I was lost in the mix, thin and uninspiring.

Of course, I had no time to tweak anything, and that surely would have improved the experience... leveling volumes, chosing the right capture and whatnot. But my point is that, if I have had a real cab behind me, I could have pluged to the loop return, chosen preamp only captures, and have a much nicer experience. I´m 100% sure about it.

I guess the "FRFR"+IRs route always leave me this way. Some times it´s better than others, and a few times it´s good enough to think about keep it that way. But at the end, a real cab is always easier and safer for me. No comparison, IMO.
 
Last nights practice was a bit more of a writing session, my bass player brought a guitar. QC was sounding pretty meh off the bat. I told him he was dumb and it must be user error. We both messed with it for a while and got it sounding better, but compared to the tone coming from a lazily dangled sennheiser on my actual amp/cab it was just kind of a hilarious comparison. For fairness I started working more on some full modelling HX patches. Same deal. The modellers sounded fine but damn once compared to a miced cab, wow....


I guess if there was no real amp around to compare to maybe would think it was an amazing experience but if anything I think my view of modellers (at least for going direct in a band/live situation) dramatically regressed after last night :idk
 
@spawnofthesith it would be interesting to see if that's more of an adjustment that needs to be done one time (or something you apply to all your patches), vs an issue with the modeler or preferred workflow. In other words, you may find that after some trial and error and learnings it works great going forward, or if there's just a fundamental issue.

Question - were you running direct or through the same playback system? Another idea would be to run the modeler through the power amp return of the amp into a cab and get that similar to the real amp, then you know it's likely either an IR or PA issue.
 
Jarick said:
@spawnofthesith it would be interesting to see if that's more of an adjustment that needs to be done one time (or something you apply to all your patches), vs an issue with the modeler or preferred workflow. In other words, you may find that after some trial and error and learnings it works great going forward, or if there's just a fundamental issue.

Question - were you running direct or through the same playback system? Another idea would be to run the modeler through the power amp return of the amp into a cab and get that similar to the real amp, then you know it's likely either an IR or PA issue.
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QC and then later when I went direct with HX direct into our mixer and we use IEMs, for the real amp miced up into the mixer as well so relatively fair comparison

HX stomp amp models into tube power amp through mic'ed up cab sounds cool, waaaaaay better than running direct
 
Mongillo19 said:
Although JT was having a very similar issue (even with fractal) until he switched to a real cab. Are you using ""FRFR"" or a cab?
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Just direct with the modellers, there's some mains in the room but we use our IEMs at practice so kind of moot

As I noted, the stomp does indeed sounds cool going into the power section of my amp into a real cab and mic'ed up lol
 
Whizzinby said:
You can’t tell a difference in a controlled blind test!

Until you’re in a live scenario with people handing you your ass with a power amp and cab.

#chooselife
#choosecabs
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The thing you find (or at least I did); is you start replacing each and every piece back with their analog counterpart and you are where you need to be.

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I am definitely not "sick" of modelers. I am sick of IEMs, but stage volume is always an issue, so I just put up with it. That being said, I try to use both real amps AND my Kemper - not at the same time. Usually, the venue is the deciding factor. And outdoor gigs will always have me bringing a real amp. Those gigs are the only place I feel like I can get closer to opening up the amp and let it breathe. However, I recently acquired a Soldano Astro, and for the moment, I am totally hooked on that amp. I've played a few gigs with it and have been super impressed. At the same time, I did kind of miss being able to swap between different amps. I was able to get what I needed with the Astro, but that amp can not sound like a Vox no matter where I twist the knobs. Nor can it sound like a 63 Fender Super Reverb. But what it CAN do is absolutely amazing. At some point I will vacate the honeymoon phase and do plenty of gigs with my Kemper. But for now....no, not sick of it, but really enjoying the other side of things.
 
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