Why no "High End" Behringer Modeler ...... seriously ?

[OneEng]

And if Behringer made a World Class Modeler unit, the butt hurt from gear snobs would be off the charts ..... kind of like running naked, backwards thru a corn field.

I could hear them turds a crying !!!!

Which is exactly what happened in the live sound world when the X32 was first introduced ..... but enough people got hold of it and gave it (gasp) really good reviews.

Behringer was always kind of a knock off company as far back as I remember in the 90's. I owned some of the rack stuff but wouldn't ever confuse them for being innovative. They do have a lot of success with the X32 digital mixer series and that's been really popular for live systems. I have no idea if that's a knockoff of anything though.

At the end of the day I don't think Behringer makes a digital modeler because there's no room for them anymore. They aren't going to compete in the $1000+ space against Helix, Fractal, QC, Kemper, etc. They aren't going to compete in the mid-level space against Pod Go, Boss, Headrush, etc. And they aren't going to compete in the low end space against Hotone and Valvetron or whatever the hell they are called.

X32 was a derivative of a MIDAS digital mixer with Klark Teknik digital algorithms and Behringer high volume manufacturing. It wasn't a knock off of anything really, but it checked a ton of boxes for a very low price.... and it sounded WAY better than the digital mixers in its market (Yamaha LS9) which ran in the 20K range at that time (The X32 was 3K).

I gigged with a G System and it was great. I set up a rack with pedals with it and it worked really well. The Boss MS3 is a strong competitor with it’s 3 loops and ability to change amp channels via relay, and the HX effects is probably the best modern solution, and can be found relatively cheap on the used market.

I currently use the VP4 and while the effects are absolutely top notch, it simply does not have the routing or control flexibility of the HX effects or Boss MS3, but the difference in fidelity absolutely cannot be denied, especially in the reverbs and the awesome plex delay block.

And Behringer owns TC Electronics.

Seems like a G System with TC verbs and delays and a modern capture capability would be a winning combo.

 

[pipelineaudio]

A lot of people don't realize what an incredible revolution the X32 was, and even for Midas, it gave them a boost in an area which for the most part didn't exist, but now is a requirement on Riders at certain levels. The idea that a company with that much DSP and a long history in control world couldn't make the uber modeler seems crazy

 

[BenIfin]

Either by direct corporate acquisition, or by "honoring" / "emulating" any existing product, I have no doubt that Behringer have the skills and resources to make a top-tier uber modeler.

Why do I think they don't / haven't ?

There's probably - relatively speaking - not enough $$ profit margin.

 

[Joshual-L]

Does Behringer make anything that is considered high end?

They got DI box that are great and built like tanks for a cheap price.
Don’t know about the other products lol

 

[2dor]

They got DI box that are great and built like tanks for a cheap price.
Don’t know about the other products lol

Yeah and they have a solid frequency response at that too. I love the Ultra-G GI100

 

[laxu]

Behringer is such a weird company when on one side they are trying to push straight off ripoffs of other products, and on the other have bought companies that are capable of making some good stuff. Are there two wings at the Behringer HQ where one is trying to just make some nice music gear, and the other is filled with people who have zero ethics?

I had their Tech21 SansAmp clone at some point, and everything about it was downright cheap but it sounded fine.

I would never trust Behringer to offer the things we love about Line6 or Fractal: Long term support and continuous improvement.

 

[Sedaxel]

Nowadays, IA makes posible for almost anyone to have outstanding amp modeling performance. We all know NAM and other open source capturing tech that can perfectly compare to most refined sims in terms of tone quality.

In the near future, I guess it´d be "easy" for almost any company to implement "capturing based" sims. You know, interpolating between captures, or making simulated tonestacks, or whatever. We´ve seen very small companies launching very good products (St.Rock, Dimehead, etc). And also dirt cheap chinese brands (M-Vave Tank G, for instance). They don´t need experience or a great knowledge in simulating amps... they only need to know how to train an IA (well, I´m oversimplifying, but you get what I mean).

So I don´t see Why wouldn´t Behringer be able to launch a good modeler (they even own TC, so more weight to the reasoning). They already make quite good products... world standard live mixers, arguably? They also have pedals that are very original: Plethora X5/X3 are different to any other pedal in the market... so in a way, they can´t either be acused of knocking off everything.

I´m convinced they´ll make something... not necessarily SOOOON, but they´ll be there, sure.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

considering behringer just flushed out most of their TC staff I’m not sure what they’ll do with that brand now. Hard to imagine that they’ll have many ties to the past if the core team of staff aren’t there any more.

 

[Sascha Franck]

While I use some of their products, while I even think that some of their products might be a part of "equipment liberation", Behringer as a whole is a pretty disgusting company, so I can only second this emotion:

I would never trust Behringer to offer the things we love about Line6 or Fractal: Long term support and continuous improvement.

 

[ian_dissonance]

While I use some of their products, while I even think that some of their products might be a part of "equipment liberation", Behringer as a whole is a pretty disgusting company, so I can only second this emotion:

Meh, people still buy Headrush shit so it’s not that important to everyone if the features/price point is there. Half the people I know using modelers never even update them.