JiveTurkey
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Ubiquitous ≠ high end
Why no "High End" Behringer Modeler ...... seriously ?
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Sascha Franck
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Amen.
Maybe not always... but in this case, it´s too obvious it´s great quality.
Sascha Franck
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No, it's "sufficient" quality. And sometimes even not exactly.
Ooooook, mate!
Not going to argue with someone who says that the X32 is not great, really.
Sascha Franck
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I never said it's not great. It's sufficient for pretty much all kinda gigs and it's possibly the best bang-for-the-buck. So that alone is great.
Yet, that doesn't even remotely make it a high end device, which this thread is about.
That'd be like saying a standard Skoda Fabia would be a high end car. It gets all the transportation duties done, it's not too uncomfortable, either, price is decent. But it's not high end. Not even a standard VW Goif is.
You said "No, it's "sufficient" quality. And sometimes even not exactly.".
That "no" was replying to my "it's great quality".
So yes, you said it's not great quality, but "sufficient" instead (and sometimes even less than sufficient).
You're artificially trying to put down a fantastic product... I don't know if it's because Behringer is what it is, and they have a dark history. I'm not here to defend Behringer (I don't especially like them), but someone who forces this way an argument until the point of saying that product is sufficient quality... God... I wonder where are the rest of brands to sell a good mixer (good is better than sufficient, isn't it?) and earn tons of money. What are they waiting for?
I see so obvious that the X mixers are great quality that I don't really understand what are We talking about.
It's not high-end, ok. I said before that I get it. I get that high-end is the gear that only abbey road studios can afford. I get that high end gear is the one that costs more than 1600€... But c'mon, Sascha, c'mon.
That "no" was replying to my "it's great quality".
So yes, you said it's not great quality, but "sufficient" instead (and sometimes even less than sufficient).
You're artificially trying to put down a fantastic product... I don't know if it's because Behringer is what it is, and they have a dark history. I'm not here to defend Behringer (I don't especially like them), but someone who forces this way an argument until the point of saying that product is sufficient quality... God... I wonder where are the rest of brands to sell a good mixer (good is better than sufficient, isn't it?) and earn tons of money. What are they waiting for?
I see so obvious that the X mixers are great quality that I don't really understand what are We talking about.
It's not high-end, ok. I said before that I get it. I get that high-end is the gear that only abbey road studios can afford. I get that high end gear is the one that costs more than 1600€... But c'mon, Sascha, c'mon.
Sascha Franck
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No. I have seen some broken things on both X32 and Wing consoles more than once.
I have absolutely no reasons to defend or dismiss Behringer. But please don't tell me it's "great" quality. It's not. Just google "Behringer X32 issues". Tons of hits.
JiveTurkey
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I think if you come from the time when Behringer were IP thieving scum 
; you have that natural dislike for the company and any discussion you get in about them. I'm not saying I don't buy cheap clone BS if I feel like it but they have always struck me as slimy.
; you have that natural dislike for the company and any discussion you get in about them. I'm not saying I don't buy cheap clone BS if I feel like it but they have always struck me as slimy.
Sascha Franck
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They still are.
I don't exactly have too much issues with them, though. But the X32s/Wings are what they are. Fantastic bang for the buck and quite decently operating units. For many people, that's good enough to find them great (myself included). But if you had a choice and money was no (or little of an) objection, you'd likely end up buying something else.
ian_dissonance
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If you google “xxxx issues” you get tons of hits. People more go to the internet to whine then they do when everything is working properly. Total fallacy argument.
Sascha Franck
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Well ok. I have experienced some issues myself. Not as a FOH operator but as a player running into X32/Wing consoles, also using their monitoring environment and what not.
ian_dissonance
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And I’ve had two XR18s in IEM racks for the last 7-8 years and use an X32 regularly for FOH for the last decade without a hitch. Anecdotal information is just that. They wouldn’t be everywhere if they were consistently unreliable.
Sascha Franck
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I never said that.
ian_dissonance
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We’ve established it’s not expensive enough to be high end a page ago. What are you saying?
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Watch out! They might sue y'all for $250k.
SillyOctpuss
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Wow what a dick move.
pipelineaudio
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The X32 changed the entire industry in a way mackie or peavey never did. I run, because of riders, a console that costs nearly three times what the x32 does and can't do several of its most important critical functions, especially in routing
pipelineaudio
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And yet the exact same console, still by behringer, but called instead "M32" does everything the X32 does, that many far more expensive consoles can't, has a pretty robust reliability record. Dave Ratt himself does a teardown of the two of them.
Sascha Franck
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Oh wow, didn't know that. What an incredible shit show.
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