Let's Be Honest Here (Covers vs Original & The Music "Biz")

If your premise of "the biz" means purely "getting paid to play music"...

But there's much more to the business such as:

  • Songwriting
  • Film scoring
  • Music for television and advertisement
  • Session work
None of those things are going away.

All of those things are limited availability and take work, talent and luck to be able to do, but the same can be said about many professions.

There are new songs written, recorded and released all the time that will be the song playing during someone's first kiss.

Who is writing those songs?

And only playing covers will never produce anything other than a performance at that moment in time.
This, unfortunately.

If we’re seriously looking to make money in the music industry, record some sappy whispery shitpile of a cover of someone else’s hit from 20+ years ago and sell it for a movie trailer, laugh all the way to the bank. Rinse and repeat. This is where people make money now, myself included.

The reality is that nobody cares about guitar anymore, and virtuoso guitarists rarely write memorable or even decent songs.

The current market is like every other market right now..it’s asking more to get less. You can’t just be a good guitarist. You have to be a good songwriter, a good arranger, a good engineer, and you have to have soft skills to build the right relationships.
 
But there's much more to the business such as:

  • Songwriting
  • Film scoring
  • Music for television and advertisement
  • Session work
None of those things are going away.

Yes, all of these are going away and will ultimately be done by AI. In fact, these are *the* prime examples of environments for AI to take over. It's even already happening.
Of course there's gonna be exceptions, but these are the very areas that will be most affected by AI.
 
It’s certainly a great thing that IDGAF about any of that and the entire reason I started playing and continue to do so is 100% self-serving.

There’s never been any aspect of the OP that was open to the majority of guitarists or musicians. It’s *ALWAYS* been timing and being at the right place at the right time. At best, it was more likely in the pre-internet days that you could build a following getting in a van and playing everywhere and anywhere you could until the labels started paying attention. I don’t believe that’s untrue these days, the ocean just got a little bigger with more ways to advertise yourself.
 
It’s certainly a great thing that IDGAF about any of that and the entire reason I started playing and continue to do so is 100% self-serving.
This is it really, probably the case for many if not most of us here.

I have a band meeting tonight where we have to parse this very topic because one of the guys is refusing to contribute to recording costs moving forward because there wasn’t “adequate ROI” from the last EP.

In reality it will be a discussion about aligning goals, which have never included profitability, and probably starting a search for someone else to fill a newly opened 2nd guitar slot.

Working in music is equal parts passion and nightmare.
 
At best, it was more likely in the pre-internet days that you could build a following getting in a van and playing everywhere and anywhere you could until the labels started paying attention. I don’t believe that’s untrue these days, the ocean just got a little bigger with more ways to advertise yourself.

Just that there's no labels signing you anymore.
 
I will say I find the social media aspect of the modern industry absolutely exhausting. Unless you are constantly feeding the algorithm you might as well give up.

Tech has basically obliterated this industry, and the RIAA let it happen.
 
Nobody says one should do that. But unless you're really willing to do everything imaginable, there's absolutely no sense anymore in trying to make your living from it. It might happen accidentally, but that's about it. You may as well win the lottery.



No, no and no. But if you are as well looking for a job, music rather shouldn't be it. That's all I'm saying.

One can still make music for all the other reasons. And one should do so. Noone ever disputed that.
I agree with this. I have always had a day job and done music on the side. I have done playing and mixing gigs a lot over the years. The good thing about doing it this way is that the low amount it pays isn't as big of an issue for me since it isn't what I rely on to pay my bills. The money stays put aside and I use that for my expensive guitar purchases. This way the hobby helps pay for itself, other than I always spend more than I make with it. It at least helps ease the cost of things. I also get to have fun with my gear and play for some people.

The downside that I really am not a fan of is that to the venue, you are a drink sales vehicle. The more drinks the bar sells, the more you get booked and could possibly get paid more. I prefer to look at it as having fun in a band instead of being a beer salesman. Unfortunately, the latter is really the driving force for the venues.
 
I will say I find the social media aspect of the modern industry absolutely exhausting. Unless you are constantly feeding the algorithm you might as well give up.

Tech has basically obliterated this industry, and the RIAA let it happen.
Another aspect I am not fond of. I never wanted a Facebook page. I created one when I moved to Florida and it was to be a way to keep in touch with family and friends. Once I got in a band and started gigging here it became a whole new thing. I had tons of "friends" on there that I don't even remember meeting. People see you play and want to connect to see where you are playing next. I walked away from all of that three years ago. I honestly don't miss any of that stuff.
 
Another aspect I am not fond of. I never wanted a Facebook page. I created one when I moved to Florida and it was to be a way to keep in touch with family and friends. Once I got in a band and started gigging here it became a whole new thing. I had tons of "friends" on there that I don't even remember meeting. People see you play and want to connect to see where you are playing next. I walked away from all of that three years ago. I honestly don't miss any of that stuff.

Hahahahah at this point the majority of the acquaintance musician friends I’ve met over the years down here I’ve become friends with as a result of all of us going to Piper’s for the last couple years.
 
Nobody says one should do that. But unless you're really willing to do everything imaginable, there's absolutely no sense anymore in trying to make your living from it. It might happen accidentally, but that's about it. You may as well win the lottery.

Here's the thing: Many people who say the business now sucks and didn't before have very little experience with how the serious money is made in music.

Maybe you do. If so, you're entitled to reach your conclusions and this isn't a personal argument. I'm simply sharing a different perspective, based on my career. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, this is what I've experienced.

Most musicians don't know much about making money in music, because they don't know where the money is to be found. I certainly didn't until I got involved in it. What I learned is it's better to know stuff than to read stuff in media.

The money making end isn't in performing or playing on someone else's record - never has been - it's in writing.

Broadcast royalties from performing rights organizations (PROs), like SESAC, ASCAP and BMI can be worth substantial dough, including for current artists, many who are relatively unknown.

Today the PROs can track airplay pretty adequately, and make substantial payments.

This money is there today, and you don't need a Time Machine to make $$.

Just doing ads that run an average of 13 weeks nationally (I'm sure many people would never be willing to write ad music, but as I said in my post, I got started late in life and that's what there was) there were years that, production fees aside (production fees have been the major part of my income and are different from broadcast royalties), my own SESAC broadcast royalties alone have often run well into the five figure mark per quarter.

For ads. Played on terrestrial TV and radio, not cable or streaming. They still have terrestrial.

Note: You have to know how to register the works and get information from advertisers to share with the PROs, which is entirely doable.

I've never had a hit record. No one streams my music. I don't exist on people's radar. And yet...

I've had singers earn SAG/AFTRA royalties in the $50-100,000 range for a single national campaign.

Lots of these opportunities didn't exist back in the day.

There's also money in licensing work for media. A tune can be licensed for film, TV, and for ads, and the revenue can be substantial. Because I was a lawyer with experience in entertainment law (I do keep my license up to date), sometimes ad agencies ask me to help them license songs. A single market, like a big city, can command six figure licensing fees, and national campaigns go into seven figures these days for a middling hit.

I know because I've negotiated these licenses, including with unknowns whose work wasn't a hit. Why they're willing to pay this kind of money I can't say, but they are.

For a band's songwriter or artist getting airplay in many markets for a longer time, royalties would obviously be much higher. Terrestrial radio and TV still make people money.

This is why labels always wanted publishing. Half of every broadcast royalty dollar is paid to the publisher, half to the writer. Today however, the labels do not ask to own the publishing; they'll split the publishing end with the artist for a given set of years, 5-7 or so (this is distinct from the writer's share), and then let the artist have 100% of their publishing down the road.

This is a huge change from the 'good old days' when the labels allowed the artist a pittance and wanted to own everything.

Also, big time tours are making scads of money for the artists who are popular worldwide.

I may be an outlier, and my experience may count for nothing. But it's also what happened.
 
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I think it’s sub cultures where the guitar is still “that”.

Seems rock guitar music is underground now, at least as far as "mainstream" goes. Slight nod to country, where rock guitar seems to have crept in and established itself as a bigger influence. Today's country (say, Keith Urban) ain't yo' granpappy's country (Johnny Cash).
 
For most of history musicians were not rock stars with mega-bucks - not even Beethoven.
Exactly. The weird blip in history where you could become rich and famous for writing/composing original music should be seen as the anomalous event. This isn't a change in some long standing historical trend.

The OP is utter nonsense. It presumes that Gen-X is the only generation that listens to music. See #6. Kids today don't have a soundtrack to all of those first events? Of course they do. #7 - catchy pop music has been made for hundreds of years and its still made today and it will still be made tomorrow. Whether the writers of the original music become famous or not - who knows. #8 Ugh. Of course the first 50 years of the existence of electric guitar was the time of greatest innovation. You throw Abassi in there but declare that innovation is done? What makes him the end of the road?
 
Here's the thing: Many people who say the business now sucks and didn't before have very little experience with how the serious money is made in music.

Maybe you do. If so, you're entitled to reach your conclusions and this isn't a personal argument. I'm simply sharing a different perspective, based on my career. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, this is what I've experienced.

Most musicians don't know much about making money in music, because they don't know where the money is to be found. I certainly didn't until I got involved in it. What I learned is it's better to know stuff than to read stuff in media.

The money making end isn't in performing or playing on someone else's record - never has been - it's in writing.

Broadcast royalties from performing rights organizations (PROs), like SESAC, ASCAP and BMI can be worth substantial dough, including for current artists, many who are relatively unknown.

Today the PROs can track airplay pretty adequately, and make substantial payments.

This money is there today, and you don't need a Time Machine to make $$.

Just doing ads that run an average of 13 weeks nationally (I'm sure many people would never be willing to write ad music, but as I said in my post, I got started late in life and that's what there was) there were years that, production fees aside (production fees have been the major part of my income and are different from broadcast royalties), my own SESAC broadcast royalties alone have often run well into the five figure mark per quarter.

For ads. Played on terrestrial TV and radio, not cable or streaming. They still have terrestrial.

Note: You have to know how to register the works and get information from advertisers to share with the PROs, which is entirely doable.

I've never had a hit record. No one streams my music. I don't exist on people's radar. And yet...

I've had singers earn SAG/AFTRA royalties in the $50-100,000 range for a single national campaign.

Lots of these opportunities didn't exist back in the day.

There's also money in licensing work for media. A tune can be licensed for film, TV, and for ads, and the revenue can be substantial. Because I was a lawyer with experience in entertainment law (I do keep my license up to date), sometimes ad agencies ask me to help them license songs. A single market, like a big city, can command six figure licensing fees, and national campaigns go into seven figures these days for a middling hit.

I know because I've negotiated these licenses, including with unknowns whose work wasn't a hit. Why they're willing to pay this kind of money I can't say, but they are.

For a band's songwriter or artist getting airplay in many markets for a longer time, royalties would obviously be much higher. Terrestrial radio and TV still make people money.

This is why labels always wanted publishing. Half of every broadcast royalty dollar is paid to the publisher, half to the writer. Today however, the labels do not ask to own the publishing; they'll split the publishing end with the artist for a given set of years, 5-7 or so (this is distinct from the writer's share), and then let the artist have 100% of their publishing down the road.

This is a huge change from the 'good old days' when the labels allowed the artist a pittance and wanted to own everything.

Also, big time tours are making scads of money for the artists who are popular worldwide.

I may be an outlier, and my experience may count for nothing. But it's also what happened.
My band is dropping our first single tonight. Show me how to monetize it, please. 🙏

I was in signed bands in the 80s/90s and we got hosed by the labels. Would be nice to finally get something other than a creative outlet and fun hobby out of all this.
 
You throw Abassi in there but declare that innovation is done? What makes him the end of the road?

We've got Steve Vai playing 100 necked guitars ("Hydra") and Abasi playing 1000 fret, 1000 stringed guitars (exaggeration for humorous effect).

What more could possibly be done with the guitar from a technical standpoint... and more importantly, who's going to actually pay $ to listen to it?

Wait! I know:

Someone will upload a short TikTok vid of their hamster plucking "Smoke On The Water" on their human-sized guitar.

The technical future of guitar is animals: Real, live animals who can play the instrument. Monetize, rinse/repeat, profit.

You know it's going there (I'm actually only half-joking).
 
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Exactly. The weird blip in history where you could become rich and famous for writing/composing original music should be seen as the anomalous event. This isn't a change in some long standing historical trend.

The OP is utter nonsense. It presumes that Gen-X is the only generation that listens to music. See #6. Kids today don't have a soundtrack to all of those first events? Of course they do. #7 - catchy pop music has been made for hundreds of years and its still made today and it will still be made tomorrow. Whether the writers of the original music become famous or not - who knows. #8 Ugh. Of course the first 50 years of the existence of electric guitar was the time of greatest innovation. You throw Abassi in there but declare that innovation is done? What makes him the end of the road?
Excellent points.

My thinking is that while money is out there to be made, the reason to go into music is because you literally would go insane with frustration if you couldn't be a musician, not because there's money to be made in it. But if you CAN make some money, so much the better!

The conflation of musical success with money is a pop music phenomenon that's the outlier.

Beethoven had to supplement his income by giving piano lessons to rich people's kids, and he was a giant in music even in his day. Most musicians did this, and today even though orchestra salaries are quite substantial, orchestral players often give lessons.

Rimsky-Korsakov was the greatest orchestrator ever, his symphonies are classics, but he made his living as an officer in the Russian Navy even while he was writing symphonies in the late 19th C.

Charles Ives made his living in his family's insurance company. His work was concertized at the time, and still is.

A number of highly regarded composers today teach at the university level for a living.

Philip Glass went into people's apartments and fixed their appliances in New York until his music made it. He led his own orchestra simply to have the stuff heard.

Interesting stuff about musical history...it's never been easy for serious musicians. You can make a buck if you know how, but that's not really what it's about.
 
Excellent points.

My thinking is that while money is out there to be made, the reason to go into music is because you literally would go insane with frustration if you couldn't be a musician, not because there's money to be made in it. But if you CAN make some money, so much the better!

The conflation of musical success with money is a pop music phenomenon that's the outlier.

Beethoven had to supplement his income by giving piano lessons to rich people's kids, and he was a giant in music even in his day. Most musicians did this, and today even though orchestra salaries are quite substantial, orchestral players often give lessons.

Rimsky-Korsakov was the greatest orchestrator ever, his symphonies are classics, but he made his living as an officer in the Russian Navy even while he was writing symphonies in the late 19th C.

Charles Ives made his living in his family's insurance company. His work was concertized at the time, and still is.

A number of highly regarded composers today teach at the university level for a living.

Philip Glass went into people's apartments and fixed their appliances in New York until his music made it. He led his own orchestra simply to have the stuff heard.

Interesting stuff about musical history...it's never been easy for serious musicians. You can make a buck if you know how, but that's not really what it's about.

They don't use the term "starving artists" for nothing.
 
We've got Steve Vai playing 100 necked guitars ("Hydra") and Abasi playing 1000 fret, 1000 stringed guitars (exaggeration for humorous effect).

What more could possibly be done with the guitar from a technical standpoint... and more importantly, who's going to actually pay $ to listen to it?

Wait! I know:

Someone will upload a short TikTok vid of their hamster plucking "Smoke On The Water" on their human-sized guitar.

The technical future of guitar is animals: Real, live animals who can play the instrument. Monetize, rinse/repeat, profit.

You know it's going there.
"Abassi is doing this thing that nobody thought of doing before he came along. What could anyone else possibly do?"

Of course there is less and less room for innovation the longer an instrument is a thing. But...Thelonius Monk was still innovative AF on the piano 150 years into its existence (as have been many piano players since him) so I don't doubt that people will figure out how to innovate on the electric guitar. I don't know why its important to you to know who is going to pay to listen to it.
 
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