Question about Intervals

Unison
Minor 2nd (1/2 step)
Major 2nd (whole step)
Minor 3rd (whole-and-a-half step)
Major 3rd (2 whole steps)
Perfect 4th (2.5 steps)
diminished 5th (3 steps)
Perfect 5th (3.5 steps)
Augmented 5th/Minor 6th (4 steps)
Major 6th (4.5 steps)
Minor 7th (5 steps)
Major 7th (5.5 steps)
Octave (6 steps)
As a beginner, I came across a great method for learning intervals: Think of the opening notes of a song. I.e, Star Spangled Banner's first 2 notes are a minor third. Happy Birthday is a 2nd. Beethoven's 5th is a Major 3rd, and so on.
 
As a beginner, I came across a great method for learning intervals: Think of the opening notes of a song. I.e, Star Spangled Banner's first 2 notes are a minor third. Happy Birthday is a 2nd. Beethoven's 5th is a Major 3rd, and so on.

That's a pretty common method. Beginning of "Brazil": Major sixth (from the 5th up to the major 3rd).
 
Ok, some useful information is seeping through my tired old brain, which stubbornly refuses to learn the shapes Vertically as most guides recommend.

My current learning of G major (which I also kinda have as E Minor) string by string (then 2, 3 etc.) may come in handy when I start to fumble my way through Modes. A Dorian has the same notes, but needs different “phrasing” with A as the root. But having the notes in muscle memory has to help.

Having the notes in hand for C major, which I kinda have as A minor, is also kinda G mixolydian… one day down the track.

So, I have to get back to A major and minor to retain the muscle memory, while learning G major and minor everywhere. The reason being all my books, magazines etc. start and chart with A, then E minor.

One day the Circle of Fifths will seep in. Just not today.

Thanks all!
 
One day the Circle of Fifths will seep in. Just not today.

Thanks all!
If you learn how to read the circle of fifths it will help you get to the notes in each key faster. You will know exactly how many sharp or flats the key has and which notes they are. It is a great tool. There are a lot of books on it. It isn't hard to understand once someone walks you through it. Once you start using it you will get faster at it. For me relating it to the face of an analog clock worked for me. It has 12 keys on it just like the 12 numbers on the clock. Another similarity is that the sharps side counts up the sharps just like the clock numbers. G has one sharp and is where the 1 is on the clock, D 2 sharps at the 2 position, A, 3 sharps at the 3 position and so on. That will get you part of the way around it.
 
To get back to the OP, it seems to me that a really important point has not been addressed here -- OP you are talking about harmonizing a diatonic scale based on scale degree. While some people talk about that as "playing 6ths" or "harmonizing in 3rds" or other such terminology, it is kind of different than what intervals actually are.

Knowing the diatonic scale, how to harmonize it -- either to create chords or to play harmonized melodies or whatever -- is very useful. You seem to be on the right track with that.

Intervals are also pretty important. They are not related to any particular scale. Getting to where you can recognize the sonic characteristic of the various intervals by ear (ear training) is really, really, important and why @Sascha Franck is bang on correct that playing lots of music is way more important than memorizing the fretboard as a beginner. An intermediate player that can HEAR intervals is going to be able to make a LOT more music than an intermediate player that can find any note on the fretboard and quickly play every scale/mode off of that note.

Get to where you can start to "hear" these, both played melodically (i.e., two individual notes played in a row on a timeline) AND harmonically (two notes played simultaneously as a diad/double-stop/whatever you wanna call it). There are lots of free/cheap apps on your phone that can help with this.

Unison
Minor 2nd (1/2 step)
Major 2nd (whole step)
Minor 3rd (whole-and-a-half step)
Major 3rd (2 whole steps)
Perfect 4th (2.5 steps)
diminished 5th (3 steps)
Perfect 5th (3.5 steps)
Augmented 5th/Minor 6th (4 steps)
Major 6th (4.5 steps)
Minor 7th (5 steps)
Major 7th (5.5 steps)
Octave (6 steps)
@bryarblue72 to follow up on this, if the difference between "intervals" vs. harmonizing a scale is unclear:

When you harmonized the major scale in 3rds, you were sometimes playing minor 3rd and sometimes major 3rd. Two notes that are 3 degrees apart in a scale will not always be separated by the same interval, but a major 3rd interval is always 2 whole steps and a minor 3rd interval is always 1.5 steps.
 
Unison
Minor 2nd (1/2 step)
Major 2nd (whole step)
Minor 3rd (whole-and-a-half step)
Major 3rd (2 whole steps)
Perfect 4th (2.5 steps)
diminished 5th (3 steps)
Perfect 5th (3.5 steps)
Augmented 5th/Minor 6th (4 steps)
Major 6th (4.5 steps)
Minor 7th (5 steps)
Major 7th (5.5 steps)
Octave (6 steps)
I would use these terms instead, even though a lot of people (including me, sometimes) use what you wrote.

Adding labels such as major/minor add confusion for those new to theory and aren't really correct, anyway.

Also, referring to augmented 5th but not augmented 4th (or other degrees) seems confusing.

Unison
Flat 2nd (1/2 step)
2nd (whole step)
Flat 3rd (whole-and-a-half step)
3rd (2 whole steps)
4th (2.5 steps)
Flat 5th (3 steps)
5th (3.5 steps)
Flat 6th (4 steps)
6th (4.5 steps)
Flat 7th (5 steps)
7th (5.5 steps)
Octave (6 steps)
 
What I wrote is also common...

Not in any theory books. You'll usually find what @Boudoir Guitar wrote there. Flat is usually only used for the 5th.
And yes, I'm perfectly aware that all this isn't very consistent.
Add to this that in analysis, yet some different labels are used. And they're not the same throughout styles, either. In classical analysis you may for instance find m3 and M3 for minor and major thirds.

Personally, for my own analysis and organisation, I try to stay as close to what you usually find in chord names.
Such as:
- Prime/unison (basically irrelevant)
- b2
- 2
- 3-
- 3
- 4
- #4 or b5
- 5
- #5 or b6
- 7
- j7
- 8

And when talking about it, I say "minor second", "minor third", "sharp fourth/four", "flat fifth/five", "minor sixth/six", "major seventh/seven".
Some of it doesn't translate well between German and English.
And none of is consistent.
 
Most people think theory in C and convert it to start with.
Learn the caged shapes for that major scale and the pentatonic. So you can easily move them around.
Learn all the notes on the fingerboard.
Get that solid and automatic first.
Then learn intervals chord spelling and triads
(By now you’ll be past a lot of players)
Then subscribe to Dani’s channel
And systematically go through his applied music theory,harmony and rhythm videos.
That’s one of the best guitar music channels.

His exploration of Holdsworthian sounds is well worth the viewing time.
He doesn’t bullshit.
 
I’d say getting to where you can hear the relationships is 100,000,000x more important than what you decide to call them.
I totally agree.

However calling an interval "minor" or "major" can be very confusing when you are trying to use it in the context of a scale or chord.

For example, A Dorian is a minor scale (or mode, depending on your view). However, it has a natural 6th... It also has a natural 2nd.

Thinking in that context for a person who is learning, it's very confusing to think, "ok, A Dorian is minor but has a major 2nd a major 6th".

It's much more straightforward to indicate only when the natural interval is altered to be flat or sharp... And far less confusing for those just learning.

Of course, in my opinion ;)

Edit:

To extend my A Dorian example, it's a lot simpler to note only the places where the scale deviates from the major. Which can be said simply as A Dorian has a flat 3rd and a flat 7th. Which is most certainly where the use of "minor" intervals originates.

Anyway, that's moving father away from purely learning the sound of intervals as was your original point.

Edit 2:

I should point out that I'm generally ok with the use of "minor 3rd" because the 3rd determines if a scale is minor or major.
 
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I totally agree.

However calling an interval "minor" or "major" can be very confusing when you are trying to use it in the context of a scale or chord.

For example, A Dorian is a minor scale (or mode, depending on your view). However, it has a natural 6th... It also has a natural 2nd.

Thinking in that context for a person who is learning, it's very confusing to think, "ok, A Dorian is minor but has a major 2nd a major 6th".

It's much more straightforward to indicate only when the natural interval is altered to be flat or sharp... And far less confusing for those just learning.

Of course, in my opinion ;)

Edit:

To extend my A Dorian example, it's a lot simpler to note only the places where the scale deviates from the major. Which can be said simply as A Dorian has a flat 3rd and a flat 7th. Which is most certainly where the use of "minor" intervals originates.

Anyway, that's moving father away from purely learning the sound of intervals as was your original point.

Edit 2:

I should point out that I'm generally ok with the use of "minor 3rd" because the 3rd determines if a scale is minor or major.
Meh. You seem to arbitrarily pick the 3rd as the only relevant thing. Dorian is Dorian. It has the sound of the minor 3rd. It also has the sound of the major 6th. Its Dorian.
 
I didn't arbitrarily pick anything. The 3rd interval defines if a scale is major or minor...
Dorian is the second mode of the major scale. Dorian is not a scale itself. We can get pedantic all day long. If you are to the point where becoming fluent with the Dorian mode is your next step, you should be able to interchangeably use stuff like “flat 7th” and “minor 7th”. Personally, I think framing “Dorian is minor” is limiting and made understanding what Dorian was more challenging than it should have been. Maybe I’m weird.
 
Dorian is the second mode of the major scale. Dorian is not a scale itself. We can get pedantic all day long. If you are to the point where becoming fluent with the Dorian mode is your next step, you should be able to interchangeably use stuff like “flat 7th” and “minor 7th”. Personally, I think framing “Dorian is minor” is limiting and made understanding what Dorian was more challenging than it should have been. Maybe I’m weird.
Dorian should be used like any other scale .
 
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