Helix 3.8 when?

[JiveTurkey]

Do either of you know if this setting is available for the Stomp? I have looked for it, but cant find it. Like I mentioned in my above post, loading my old presets into the new update seems to be giving me some unwanted sounds issues. IDK if it's harmonics, artifacts, frequencies I have EQed lower before or just me being crazy, but it doesnt sound the same IMO and taming the input impedance could fix/help it.

Lowering the impedance setting would be an easy fix if it's available. If not, when I get some time this weekend, I am going to rebuild the presets from the ground up and see if that takes care of it and compare the two presets to see if I'm just going crazy.

I did a factory reset BTW.

Should be on the input block.

 

[Lysander]

Do either of you know if this setting is available for the Stomp?

Input impedance? Look for the In-Z parameter in the Input block.

 

[banned]

Oh and b.t.w - the Park 75 Bright Channel Brit P-75 Brt Amp - what a freaking amazing Amp. Crank the Gain - keep the Bass-Lows under control - hit the front with something like the Timmy or dirt of choice - crunch and clarity with just the right amount of [not too much] mid-range sizzle !!

The Park Bright is my main amp alongside the Mesa Lonestar Dirty Channel. These two are amazing.

 

[Zero72]

Looks like you found a bug! Did you do a factory reset and restore after updating?

Hi, tx for your attention.
Yes: updated hx edit and helix floor to 3.80, all without a trouble, as usual. Factory reset and restore of all the backup except the Setlist 1.

Your helix it's ok? I'm alone with this issue?

 

[Byrdman]

Should be on the input block.

Input impedance? Look for the In-Z parameter in the Input block.

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Thanks guys!! That took out some of those weird things I was hearing. I put it on 230K as suggested.

It was probably caused by a combination of my PU's, PU height, and new update, but seems to be a lot better now.

 

[sashimi]

Hey Lele. You are the Man.

I've taken my 4 main presets and reconfigured them from scratch on my Stomp following your advice settings above and they worked perfectly to fix the stiffness, lack of bounce and midrange congestion as compared to my FM3

Your settings got me %90 of the way there - all I added was (i) a small midrange cut as the first EQ Block after the Input and (ii) re-set the Input Impedance to 230k which I had inadvertently set to Auto.

I've always loved the 230k Input Impedance on the Helix and always used it but just dumb forgot this time ... for me and my guitars the 1M Ohm and Auto have always hit the Amps too "hard". I've always used 230K with my Helix's - which has always intrigued me (?) because I run a very low Output 6.5K Humbucker for %99 of my tones and playing - clean and dirty - but it works beautifully.

Many thanks again mate - I was on the verge of re-selling it but somehow knew I wasn't doing something right - hence why I posted my initial comments above.

Ben

Very interesting. I took a screenshot of @Lele ’s settlings so I can try this tonight

 

[dbagchee]

Hi, tx for your attention.
Yes: updated hx edit and helix floor to 3.80, all without a trouble, as usual. Factory reset and restore of all the backup except the Setlist 1.

Your helix it's ok? I'm alone with this issue?

I'm not able to replicate the problem on mine, sorry - I'd suggest opening a support ticket with Line 6 and they should be able to figure it out.

 

[banned]

For me the Vitriol and the 2203 made the Helix almost complete, I agree, a decent Mark model and I'm done.
"Mark IV Pres Pull" or just pair the Lead preamp with the Rhythm 1 power amp, zero work, all the benefit.
The FAT switch of the tonestack is very important too, Line 6 has that switch on many other amps, why they skipped it on the MK IV... nobody knows.

Same.

Tbh, I'm done - really can't ask for anything more. But an improved Mark series would be nice.

They'll probably do that final 20th update and call it a day.

 

[dbagchee]

Same.

Tbh, I'm done - really can't ask for anything more. But an improved Mark series would be nice.

They'll probably do that final 20th update and call it a day.

Maybe they can grab one of the Mark IIC+ reissues and model it all!

 

[SymphonicDischord]

Whatever you do, don’t let your laptop go to sleep mid update

My macbook screen only went dark for half a second before I touched the trackpad and I thought I bricked my LT for a minute yesterday. Hx edit would not recognize it after that and there was a boot error showing on the LT screen. But I was able to finish the update in line 6 central thankfully.

I had that happen to me on the last update. There’s a free program in the App Store called Anphetamine that I use to prevent my computer from going to sleep with critical work.

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[BahamaDada]

Ffs the dumb people in the FB user group.

Is it so hard to follow a 5 step instruction? Open HX Edit, Backup, Update, Reset, Restore Backup. It's written there on the screen.

 

[eggpl@nt]

Ffs the dumb people in the FB user group.

Is it so hard to follow a 5 step instruction? Open HX Edit, Backup, Update, Reset, Restore Backup. It's written there on the screen.

RANF, YOU MORON!!

wait, wrong platform.

it's the same with fractal updates. it's impressive how much some people can struggle with these things.

 

[GTR37]

RANF, YOU MORON!!

wait, wrong platform.

it's the same with fractal updates. it's impressive how much some people can struggle with these things.

Someone should let them try to figure out ToneX

 

[pablo retamal]

Ffs the dumb people in the FB user group.

Is it so hard to follow a 5 step instruction? Open HX Edit, Backup, Update, Reset, Restore Backup. It's written there on the screen.

you forgot to update hx edit... you skipped an important step, your unit catches fire!

 

[BenIfin]

Do either of you know if this setting is available for the Stomp? I have looked for it, but cant find it. Like I mentioned in my above post, loading my old presets into the new update seems to be giving me some unwanted sounds issues. IDK if it's harmonics, artifacts, frequencies I have EQed lower before or just me being crazy, but it doesnt sound the same IMO and taming the input impedance could fix/help it.

Lowering the impedance setting would be an easy fix if it's available. If not, when I get some time this weekend, I am going to rebuild the presets from the ground up and see if that takes care of it and compare the two presets to see if I'm just going crazy.

I did a factory reset BTW.

Hi Brydman.

As others have noted - yep its in the Stomp in the Input Block. Just slide the Slider under Impedance and you'll find it - some micro adjustments to Gain and EQ *may* also be needed

F.w.i.w I don't play ultra hard rock or metal - ACDC is a hard as I get, so I like to try an maximize my dynamics and feel.

When I first got my first Helix many moons ago, I stumbled on changing the I/Imp to 230k by accident and was like - yes, most of the [bad] harsh and ugly was now tamed - you gotta have some good harsh and ugly though !.

Maybe its just how the real physical 1M Ohm circuit is built and wired in the Helix (?) no two physical circuits are the same (?) but the 1M ohm has always to me felt very hard and very stiff in the Helix - and again I use a very low 6.5K Humbuckers.

I can see though that for really hard-rock and metal why the 1M ohm setting would be preferrable - but not to sound like an old man screaming at the wind - hard rock and metal tones these days are sooooo freaking hyper-oversaturated and dense that many times they are almost approaching controlled noise-bursts as opposed to an actual guitar-instrument tone - zero dynamics and the only way to get some semblence of string definition is to hyper-excite the higher frequencies which has the added bonus of even saturating the tone even more ...whew :)

Try it - you may love it - you may hate it - all %100 good either way - easy fix either way.

Ben

 

[Byrdman]

Hi Brydman.

As others have noted - yep its in the Stomp in the Input Block. Just slide the Slider under Impedance and you'll find it - some micro adjustments to Gain and EQ *may* also be needed

F.w.i.w I don't play ultra hard rock or metal - ACDC is a hard as I get, so I like to try an maximize my dynamics and feel.

When I first got my first Helix many moons ago, I stumbled on changing the I/Imp to 230k by accident and was like - yes, most of the [bad] harsh and ugly was now tamed - you gotta have some good harsh and ugly though !.

Maybe its just how the real physical 1M Ohm circuit is built and wired in the Helix (?) no two physical circuits are the same (?) but the 1M ohm has always to me felt very hard and very stiff in the Helix - and again I use a very low 6.5K Humbuckers.

I can see though that for really hard-rock and metal why the 1M ohm setting would be preferrable - but not to sound like an old man screaming at the wind - hard rock and metal tones these days are sooooo freaking hyper-oversaturated and dense that many times they are almost approaching controlled noise-bursts as opposed to an actual guitar-instrument tone - zero dynamics and the only way to get some semblence of string definition is to hyper-excite the higher frequencies which has the added bonus of even saturating the tone even more ...whew :)

Try it - you may love it - you may hate it - all %100 good either way - easy fix either way.

Ben

Thanks, Ben! I went through and changed my presets to the 230k vs the auto that it was on. I do play hard rock stuff with our band and it definitely tamed the ugly frequencies I was hearing. Sounded so much better playing through my 498T bridge PU.

Thanks again for taking the time to write up your experience

 

[BahamaDada]

you forgot to update hx edit... you skipped an important step, your unit catches fire!

Please delete my TGF account, I now belong to Facebook.

 

[Foxmeister]

(Edited due to post below)

In case any one is interested, here are my estimates for the new amp models in 3.80:

Helix 3.80 Amp Model DSP Allocations

 

[pipelineaudio]

That’s how I’m running it. I didn’t particularly care for the Precision Drive in front of the EV Red.

Also giving the Gov cab a spin. It’s pretty good. I still don’t love the Helix cabs, but I can appreciate when they offer something novel like this.

What settings are you using on Pillars for this?

 

[DieSchmalle]

In case any one is interested, here are my estimates for the new amp models in 3.80:

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Helix 3.80 Amp Model DSP Allocations

There is something wrong with these numbers e.g. the Vitriol Lead uses as much DSP as the EV Panama Red.
[5x Heir Apparent + 1 gain is max that you can add to either a EV Panama Red or a Vitriol Lead.]

Maybe these models share resources so when you use both in a patch they use less DSP or something.