Helix 3.8 when?

[ian_dissonance]

I was thinking of an editor. A Helix mobile app would need to be nerfed a lot to work more or less.

There's not even a Helix standalone for desktop.

I guess I can’t think of a time in the last 9 years where I would have needed the editor for anything I was doing “in the field”. The UI is easy enough to handle minor live tweaks.

 

[molul]

I guess I can’t think of a time in the last 9 years where I would have needed the editor for anything I was doing “in the field”. The UI is easy enough to handle minor live tweaks.

In my case, I could really use a mobile app to tweak anything without kneeing to my LT.

I've never used HX Edit to edit presets, but just because the LT and my computer are very seldom in the same place.

I wonder if a Bluetooth version of all current Helix/HX lineup is even considered by Line6 to be released, if a new flagship/product family is still very far away.

 

[ian_dissonance]

In my case, I could really use a mobile app to tweak anything without kneeing to my LT.

I've never used HX Edit to edit presets, but just because the LT and my computer are very seldom in the same place.

I wonder if a Bluetooth version of all current Helix/HX lineup is even considered by Line6 to be released, if a new flagship/product family is still very far away.

I’d be very, very surprised to see any “rerelease” just to add BT.

 

[the swede]

 

[molul]

I’d be very, very surprised to see any “rerelease” just to add BT.

Yep. And a Bluetooth dongle solution is not realistic.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Smaller in weight maybe, not so small that I have to buy an expression pedal.

Seriously, as this came up a few times already, I really, really like the idea of a detachable EXP pedal. Would possibly as well solve the "left or right?" issue and would satisfy both types of users. I for one would usually keep the pedal attached - but at this very moment I'm playing a whole bunch of gigs where I never need any pedal functions, so I could as well have an even more suitcase/flight-friendly unit.

And fwiw, out of all units with an onboard EXP pedal, the GT-1000 for me has the perfect form factor by far. Noticeably smaller and lighter than a Floor/LT, yet almost the same amount of controls (and we all know that some of the LT/Floor switches get wasted often enough anyway).
Which is precisely why I will buy one next week...

 

[Sascha Franck]

The stuff I started working on in 2017 is not, nor will anyone see them anytime soon.

Will you see it in your lifetime then?

 

[ian_dissonance]

Seriously, as this came up a few times already, I really, really like the idea of a detachable EXP pedal. Would possibly as well solve the "left or right?" issue and would satisfy both types of users. I for one would usually keep the pedal attached - but at this very moment I'm playing a whole bunch of gigs where I never need any pedal functions, so I could as well have an even more suitcase/flight-friendly unit.

And fwiw, out of all units with an onboard EXP pedal, the GT-1000 for me has the perfect form factor by far. Noticeably smaller and lighter than a Floor/LT, yet almost the same amount of controls (and we all know that some of the LT/Floor switches get wasted often enough anyway).
Which is precisely why I will buy one next week...

I’m all for modularity if it doesn’t add extra cost and isn’t some flimsy thing that you want to detach every time you pack up to be safe. I also quite like the size of the GT-1000, I just have a hard time with the amp modeling.

 

[pablo retamal]

Let's see if I understand... a modular device that requires extra materials, design work and extra production expenses that you would buy as long as it doesn't increase costs?... can I smile?

 

[Sascha Franck]

I just have a hard time with the amp modeling.

TBH, I have absolutely no issues with Boss' modeling as far as live playing goes. Played a bunch of gigs with my old GT-10 plus an AMT Pangaea for IRs earlier this year (had to leave the stuff on a truck for several weeks, so I didn't want to use my main board) and it was absolutely fine.
And right now I'm even playing 2 weeks of a tour with just a GT-10 (supplied by the production), no issues, either (no real rock riffing or any "big tones" required, though - so that's making things a lot easier).
I also love that Boss units are simply made to last as long as I want. The only things I ever had to do with my GT-5 and GT-10 was to open them up, clean things a bit and be good for some more years to go.
I obviously wouldn't mind HX quality modeling with that kind of form/quality factor, though.

 

[molul]

If it's not a detachable exp pedal, at least it would be nice having a high-end Helix device without it.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Let's see if I understand... a modular device that requires extra materials, design work and extra production expenses that you would buy as long as it doesn't increase costs?... can I smile?

I think it's fine if it added *some* cost. But it wouldn't have to be much. Design it as if if came as a solid unit with some space to make a cut and then design the connection inside (just a stereo connection anyway, nothing special) and an easy to attach/detach cover when the pedal is detached.

 

[laxu]

Seriously, as this came up a few times already, I really, really like the idea of a detachable EXP pedal. Would possibly as well solve the "left or right?" issue and would satisfy both types of users. I for one would usually keep the pedal attached - but at this very moment I'm playing a whole bunch of gigs where I never need any pedal functions, so I could as well have an even more suitcase/flight-friendly unit.

BluGuitar has the right idea for their Amp X in this regard: You can attach these "wing" plates to the bottom where you can put any pedal on either side, with some spacing to adjust. I think that's a novel solution without needing a pedalboard to keep the expression pedal in place similar to a built-in one.

I can understand why the Helix Floor is like that, with its plethora of inputs and outputs taking lots of space. But the Helix LT could have been made a good bit less chonky by removing the expression pedal and stacking some of the I/O.

 

[molul]

BluGuitar has the right idea for their Amp X in this regard: You can attach these "wing" plates to the bottom where you can put any pedal on either side, with some spacing to adjust. I think that's a novel solution without needing a pedalboard to keep the expression pedal in place similar to a built-in one.

I can understand why the Helix Floor is like that, with its plethora of inputs and outputs taking lots of space. But the Helix LT could have been made a good bit less chonky by removing the expression pedal and stacking some of the I/O.

That's something I expect Line6 to improve upon for next devices.

 

[Sascha Franck]

BluGuitar has the right idea for their Amp X in this regard: You can attach these "wing" plates to the bottom where you can put any pedal on either side, with some spacing to adjust. I think that's a novel solution without needing a pedalboard to keep the expression pedal in place similar to a built-in one.

Defenitely liked that when I've seen it. Cable management would still be the same - and it's often at least some sort of an issue with EXP pedals (at least as soon as you want things to be as tidy as possible). But sure, that's hair splitting territory already.

I can understand why the Helix Floor is like that, with its plethora of inputs and outputs taking lots of space. But the Helix LT could have been made a good bit less chonky by removing the expression pedal and stacking some of the I/O.

As said, for me the GT-1000 is a really, really decent form factor. And it's not lacking much, if anything) in terms of I/Os, either. Sure, no digital I/O, but you could always replace the second CTL I/O with SPDIF. And well, no mic input either, but if I was about to place a bet, I'd say the amount of folks using it is pretty small. Anyhow, I absolutely agree that a middle-sized unit with full CPU juice would possibly be the goldilocks thing for quite some folks. During the 3 (or so) years of owning the Floor, the size got a more or less serious issue I had to deal with at least a handful of times. And it'd be much more of an issue today (which is why I have a small Stomp based board as well).

 

[banned]

PodGo is perfect footprint wise, format wise and UI wise - L6 doesn't need to look any further. But it needs more compute power.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Let's see if I understand... a modular device that requires extra materials, design work and extra production expenses that you would buy as long as it doesn't increase costs?... can I smile?

I’m of the opinion that a “flagship” floor modeler without an expression pedal is an incomplete device. The FM9, TMP, and QC are all incomplete devices. They have pedal effects you can’t use until you purchase another piece of equipment.

 

[laxu]

I’m of the opinion that a “flagship” floor modeler without an expression pedal is an incomplete device. The FM9, TMP, and QC are all incomplete devices. They have pedal effects you can’t use until you purchase another piece of equipment.

My take is that they're "a platform that adapts to your needs." I can put them on a desk, on the floor, add an expression pedal or two when I need them, leave them out when I want to travel light etc.

Can't do that with Helix.

 

[ian_dissonance]

My take is that they're "a platform that adapts to your needs." I can put them on a desk, on the floor, add an expression pedal or two when I need them, leave them out when I want to travel light etc.

Can't do that with Helix.

Well obviously I’m right and you’re wrong.

If I’m buying the Enterprise why would I want just the saucer?

 

[molul]

I’m of the opinion that a “flagship” floor modeler without an expression pedal is an incomplete device. The FM9, TMP, and QC are all incomplete devices. They have pedal effects you can’t use until you purchase another piece of equipment.

Completing them is quite easy. Having a smaller Helix that you would prefer is impossible.