Fender Tone Master Pro: Episode IV - A New Hope

[BenIfin]

Hey TMP users !

I posted at TOP to the 2 x Fender reps re: why the Orange model is so bang-on and whether the other models were or would be re-done to be as good .... it went as follows:-

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The new Orange is pretty much spot-on to the real Amp in GuitarJon's demo above.

Have all the existing Amp algorithms been re-done to be as accurate as the new Orange is (?) or is that on the to-do list ?

Thanks,
Ben

We are using the same modeling process on the new amp models as all of the previous amp models. We did fix bugs in the EVH Red channel and the British 800 in a previous update. Also, having speaker impedance curves for these types of tests is critical, as we mentioned previously. We will be adding more SICs in the near future and even more features for tuning and tweaking.

Max Gutnik
SVP of Product
Fender Musical Instruments Corp
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So *maybe* the key to the TMP models being accurate is the application of the correct/matching Speaker Impedance Curve (?)

Would be a good A/B to be done with say 4 or 5 of the other Amps with their matching Impedance curves compared to the real Amp or something like the Fractal or Helix (?)

Ben

 

[GuitarJon]

Hey TMP users !

I posted at TOP to the 2 x Fender reps re: why the Orange model is so bang-on and whether the other models were or would be re-done to be as good .... it went as follows:-

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We are using the same modeling process on the new amp models as all of the previous amp models. We did fix bugs in the EVH Red channel and the British 800 in a previous update. Also, having speaker impedance curves for these types of tests is critical, as we mentioned previously. We will be adding more SICs in the near future and even more features for tuning and tweaking.

Max Gutnik
SVP of Product
Fender Musical Instruments Corp
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So *maybe* the key to the TMP models being accurate is the application of the correct/matching Speaker Impedance Curve (?)

Would be a good A/B to be done with say 4 or 5 of the other Amps with their matching Impedance curves compared to the real Amp or something like the Fractal or Helix (?)

Ben

I'm going to work on a comparison today... IC curves don't have any effect on the distortion characteristics though. An amp model won't magically all of the sudden go from very loose to tight for example. More like from "boxy" (frequency wise) to "scooped" or more balanced.

 

[mossyrock]

 

[mossyrock]

 

[MindCrime]

@GuitarJon This comparison sounds REALLY good ! Thank you for taking the time to do this.

I am surprised how good the TMP sounds. Sounds like Fender is bringin' it !

 

[GuitarJon]

@GuitarJon This comparison sounds REALLY good ! Thank you for taking the time to do this.

I am surprised how good the TMP sounds. Sounds like Fender is bringin' it !

My pleasure! Yeah, I'm pretty stoked about the TMP now! They're doing a great job and I was pleasantly surprised because of this new firmware!

 

[alexone]

That's what everyone who's tested it seriously without frequency diagrams said since the beginning: from a feeling point of view, whether with headphones or a cab, this thing sounds very amp-like.
And contrary to what Sonic Drive Studio assert, Fender haven't changed anything (apart from the EVH three months ago and the SIC in the last update (but it concern just external IRs).

 

[timbuck3]

 

[GuitarJon]

Hey all, it was just confirmed by Max (from Fender) that there is indeed a bug with the USB reamping, as I mentioned in my video, and they're working on a fix! So that's good news.

 

[BenIfin]

Hey all, it was just confirmed by Max (from Fender) that there is indeed a bug with the USB reamping, as I mentioned in my video, and they're working on a fix! So that's good news.

Hey Jon. Did / does that impact the audio / sonic quality of the clips and comparisons you've recorded with the TMP so far (?)

Ben

 

[GuitarJon]

Hey Jon. Did / does that impact the audio / sonic quality of the clips and comparisons you've recorded with the TMP so far (?)

Ben

Perhaps, with my last videos I didn't reamp through USB but with the old tests I tried to compensate for the low levels by just boosting the levels of the DIs.

 

[timbuck3]

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Drewstunes​

Platinum Supporting Member

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Quick story - played a festival gig in southern Michigan on Saturday. In the band that opened for us the lead guitarist had a Friedman 100 watt head, 4x12 cabinet, and giant pedalboard. After their set he has to strike his stuff quickly so my band can set up. He clears it and I walk up with my TMP and 2 guitars, set up in 2 minutes. The sound guy tells me that I had the better tone and it was dialed in perfectly. So happy for the simplicity of the TMP and other similar modelers we get to use these days

 

[norminal]

The sound guy tells me that I had the better tone

Tone is subjective. Another sound guy might like the other guy’s tone better.

 

[Aleksi]

Tone is subjective. Another sound guy might like the other guy’s tone better.

I'm not so sure about this. I mean, it was posted by a Platinum Supporting Member.

 

[dronerstone]

I'm not so sure about this. I mean, it was posted by a Platinum Supporting Member.

Then it must be accurate and can not be questioned.

 

[jellodog]

 

[JCW308]

Tone is subjective. Another sound guy might like the other guy’s tone better.

Not all that much. Good tone is good tone. People know when your tone is bad, and they know when your tone is good. Saying "tone is subjective" is the "every kid wins" mindset, which is a complete fail. Some are good, some are bad. Some win, some don't. It's not subjective at all.

 

[dronerstone]

Not all that much. Good tone is good tone. People know when your tone is bad, and they know when your tone is good. Saying "tone is subjective" is the "every kid wins" mindset, which is a complete fail. Some are good, some are bad. Some win, some don't. It's not subjective at all.

What you're talking about is probably rather "unprofessional" tone, but "good" tone is totally subjective. One likes low mids, the other likes high mids, and then someone who likes it scooped watches from afar, thinking "screw them mids anyway".

But all three have the right to call their own tone "good".

Ymmv

 

[Stone]

Meh I like what I like and if it sounds good to me, then its all that counts |
same thing with modeling platforms or Gear of choice, use whatever you like
In the end all that counts is that your happy with what you have

 

[KingsXJJ]

lol

What you're talking about is probably rather "unprofessional" tone, but "good" tone is totally subjective. One likes low mids, the other likes high mids, and then someone who likes it scooped watches from afar, thinking "screw them mids anyway".

But all three have the right to call their own tone "good".

Ymmv

Only a crappy sound man wouldn’t know good tone. That and ensuring the mix is balanced is kind of the job. No need to argue… professional ears thought the TMP sounded better in the mix than the Friedman. Period. Could have been how the guitarist or tech set up the control panel on the Friedman. Or maybe the TMP just sounded better. No matter what happened the TMP clearly sounded good.