Anybody else getting sick of modellers?

[jellodog]

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Please could you make that a little bigger. Having trouble reading it. Thanx.

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

 

[spawnofthesith]

Because bands using physical amps never sound like shit? Hmmmmm......

I'm spoiled by mostly going to jam shows these days where they reaaaaaaly care about the live tone and mix

 

[spawnofthesith]

And the majority of them drop fully mixed/mastered recordings of the show within 24hrs with amazing quality

Pretty impressive tbh. I wish more bands/genres cared that much

 

[JiveTurkey]

The normal shriekers must be sleeping

Here's one for the argument crew. Each piece of digital you replace with an "equivalent" analog counterpart will restore that specific slice of "real" in the signal chain and overall listening and playing experience for audience and players. For better and for worse in some cases. Depending on where you are standing in relation to said equipment.

 

[PLX]

I'm spoiled by mostly going to jam shows these days where they reaaaaaaly care about the live tone and mix

Second concert I ever attended was "Ted Nugent" Mar 18, 1976.

Guy was stabbed to death in the 7th row, front & center of stage during "Strangehold".

Best tone ever. Ted never missed a lick.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Second concert I ever attended was "Ted Nugent" Mar 18, 1976.

Guy was stabbed to death in the 7th row, front & center of stage during "Strangehold".

Best tone ever. Ted never missed a lick.

Was it an impersonator?

 

[PLX]

Depending on where you are standing in relation to said equipment

Is this that "tone in the room" thing again ?

 

[spawnofthesith]

Didn’t they go back to real amps, I know Tosin was raving about the Bad Car Jet Black as being way better sounding than the modellers and that was his new rig

I've been pouring over the internet for pictures of this tour to ensure my entire premise wasn't just me being a dumb douche


definitely using Fractal this go around, however, in the most clear photo i could find of this tour's rig, there does appear to be a mic'ed cab in play

 

[jay mitchell]

How good you sound is on you. If you can't get good sounds from the equipment you now use, you have two options, broadly speaking:

1. Continue working with what you have with the goal of improving your sound.

2. Look for different equipment that will better enable you to get what you want.

Telling everyone else that they can't get good sounds from a particular type of gear just because you can't or or because someone you heard at a show sounded bad is projection. It is particularly telling when you post this kind of broad-brush assertion in a subforum about the very type of equipment you don't like.

 

[PLX]

How good you sound is on you. If you can't get good sounds from the equipment you now use, you have two options, broadly speaking:

1. Continue working with what you have with the goal of improving your sound.

2. Look for different equipment that will better enable you to get what you want.

Telling everyone else that they can't get good sounds from a particular type of gear just because you can't or or because someone you heard at a show sounded bad is projection. It is particularly telling when you post this kind of broad-brush assertion in a subforum about the very type of equipment you don't like.

You're making a whole lot of sense.

 

[spawnofthesith]

How good you sound is on you. If you can't get good sounds from the equipment you now use, you have two options, broadly speaking:

1. Continue working with what you have with the goal of improving your sound.

2. Look for different equipment that will better enable you to get what you want.

Telling everyone else that they can't get good sounds from a particular type of gear just because you can't or or because someone you heard at a show sounded bad is projection. It is particularly telling when you post this kind of broad-brush assertion in a subforum about the very type of equipment you don't like.

Lighten up. I've always been a proponent of people using what they like, what works for them, and what makes them happy

Ironically, more often than not I get told that I just need to keep working harder or buying more stuff to make emulations sound "as good" as the real thing. No thank you, I already have something that sounds good, and is easy to use. It becomes a bit exhausting being constantly told that I need to keep battling digital gear when I've given it plenty of fair shakes. But if it works for you or others I'm no going to try and convince them that it doesn't. I will reiterate, I own and use a Stomp, I've used an Axe III on many of my bands releases, and I've recently had the opportunities to mess with my bassists QC. I think these are all useful tools, and if they work as a catch all for anyone great. But my personal experience is that as a catch all for live use, I do not like them as a player or audience member.

However, I can assure you my tone is significantly better than AAL through the PA or in the room

 

[paisleywookiee]

Didn’t they go back to real amps, because Tosin has a line of pedals to sell you, and it was easier to do that with a regular amp?

FTFY

 

[jay mitchell]

Lighten up.

I'm fine. Are you OK?

However, I can assure you my tone is significantly better than AAL through the PA or in the room

Whether or not I'd agree with your assurance is an open question, but it is moot regardless. Your (or my) subjective reaction to something as nebulous as "tone" does not serve as a universal definition of what is "good" or "bad."

The arguments over modelers vs. "the real thing" had already become extremely tiresome and repetitive more than a decade ago. You're not going to change anyone's opinion - nor are you offering useful advice - when you vigorously assert that one is intrinsically "better" than the other.

 

[Orvillain]

How good you sound is on you. If you can't get good sounds from the equipment you now use, you have two options, broadly speaking:

1. Continue working with what you have with the goal of improving your sound.

2. Look for different equipment that will better enable you to get what you want.

Telling everyone else that they can't get good sounds from a particular type of gear just because you can't or or because someone you heard at a show sounded bad is projection. It is particularly telling when you post this kind of broad-brush assertion in a subforum about the very type of equipment you don't like.

Come to think of it, I don't think you've ever posted any clips of you playing or your tones ????

 

[paisleywookiee]

Come to think of it, I don't think you've ever posted any clips of you playing or your tones ????

Is that even relevant though? It’s just an example of what he sounds like, which is what he likes, which is subjective.

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

It is so difficult to be objective about subjectivity.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, one question I've asked myself quite sometimes already: In case money, transportability and other practical aspects would be no issues at all, would I still use modeling and FR monitoring?
The answer, at least very likely, would be "yes". However, it would most likely be partially hybrid (as in containing some assorted analog devices) and half-modular. But that'd only be because there's no really decent all-in-one modeling solutions from a usability aspect.

 

[Orvillain]

Is that even relevant though? It’s just an example of what he sounds like, which is what he likes, which is subjective.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that if you're going to lecture other people about any of this stuff, then you need to be able to back it up with something other than being this guy:


Not only am I getting sick of modellers, I'm getting sick of modeller defenders who cry at the slightest hint of a different experience.

 

[the swede]

I’m always in for being told I’m wrong. Even if it’s subjectively intrinsically perceived. Hit me!

Oh wait… no one but me hears me play anyway. I’m out.