Anybody else getting sick of modellers?

[Sascha Franck]

Aint to my taste, but you enjoy it.

I could easily record a truckload of variations, that was just the sound that was on anyway and the guitar just next to me. Dialed the gain in a bit more and done, zero effort.
My live sound is giving me the best controllable feedback I ever had, I can pretty much force it to feedback each note and I can even do some tricks to force the feedback temporarily (such as bending down to bring the mid slider of my monitoring EQ up a bit for just some bars of ultimate feedback mayhem). Without even affecting the FOH tone.
Is it the same as feedback through a traditional rig? No way. Because it's better.

 

[Sascha Franck]

And fwiw, I absolutely agree that silent stages pretty much suck. Also because of the very lack of feedback, but for a whole number of other reasons making them as little rock'n'roll as it gets, too. So there.

 

[fiftyshadesofslay]

""FRFR"" feedback. Just recorded. In a friggin' living room. Where's the angry wasps and what exactly sounds like an iPhone speaker?

That’s my point proven. Cheers bud.

 

[Sascha Franck]

That’s my point proven. Cheers bud.

So, then please post an example of your true manly real feedback. Go ahead!
And btw, I'm sure it sounds like an iPhone speaker because you're listening through one.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

How exactly does it sound different?

The same way tone differs to your ears when playing (even in front of monitors) and just passively listening.
Sound from the speakers will be “parasitically” fed back to the monitors.

Even worth with a guitar cab on floor.

But that has nothing to do with guitar cab vs. "FRFR" .
But it certainly won’t happen if all one gets is the IEM feed.

 

[Sascha Franck]

But that has nothing to do with guitar cab vs. """FRFR""" .

That's my entire point.

 

[Orvillain]

That's my entire point.

Are you sure? I got the impression your entire point was just to cause an argument where one need not be.

And everyone knows that is MY job!

 

[Orvillain]

Is it the same as feedback through a traditional rig? No way. Because it's better.

In your opinion.

You saying this is no different to Jay saying modelling sounds like ass, which you took umbrage with. Sooooo... loaded opinionated statements are okay for thee but not for me??? Seems to be your position.

 

[Sascha Franck]

You saying this is no different to Jay saying modelling sounds like ass,

Of course it's no different. Absolutistic statements seem to be en vogue here. So I just followed suit.

Still would like to hear his version of great feedback...

 

[Orvillain]

@Sascha Franck

What do you reckon to this around 4:42:


And this around 2:40:



??

 

[Piing]

Because the feedback coming out of a guitar cab sounds good and the feedback coming out of an ""FRFR"" sounds like an angry wasp being played through an iPhone speaker.

 

[Sascha Franck]

What do you reckon to this around 4:42:

Fine. But I don't even remotely see how that'd be unobtanium using a modeler and "FRFR" systems.

Seriously, "traditional" feedback never even just once appeared to me as one of the drawbacks of modelers.
Lack of volume on silent stages? Sure. Sucks (at least quite often).
But once you're allowed some kind of volume, feedback is the easiest thing to get. And I'd even go as far as to say it's easier with a wedge monitor as you can place it properly a lot easier to find a happy medium between not annoying others with your volume while still getting great feedback.

And yes, I can as well perfectly understand people not getting along well with modelers. But in case you can't get decent feedback from a "FRFR" monitor system, it's operator error (or too little volume - but that'd be no different with real cabs).

 

[Orvillain]

decent

Well that's just in the eye of the beholder isn't it.

<thinks back to all of the lovely ear shattering feedback from wedge monitors and bad vocalists>

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Hugs

 

[Sascha Franck]

<thinks back to all of the lovely ear shattering feedback from wedge monitors and bad vocalists>

Please tell me you're not really comparing the two (I know you aren't, but I'd rather be sure...).

 

[Orvillain]

Please tell me you're not really comparing the two (I know you aren't, but I'd rather be sure...).

You'll never know.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Guitar playing is a visceral experience. Even when playing Love Shack covers. If it isn't tripping your trigger; dump it.

 

[FuzzyAce]

@Sascha Franck

What do you reckon to this around 4:42:


And this around 2:40:



??

That first clip reminds me of the FreqOut, especially around 5:32. Sounds great whatever you did.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Guitar playing is a visceral experience. Even when playing Love Shack covers.

Oh. every bit this. Which is precisely why you need to find ways to get that very visceral experience out of whatever you're playing. Which includes the equipment you're playing (or being forced to play). I learned that kinda the hard way, but finally I found my ways.

 

[FuzzyAce]

I've used studio monitors for feedback in a control room. Not ideal but works in a pinch. There's a certain thing in the high end that gets gnarly but that's to be expected.