Anybody else getting sick of modellers?

AFKAEjay said:
If I was to buy again…I’d look into the Hotone pedals with double purpose (wah/exp, tuner/exp)…because of that…but also cause they have led indicators of the pedals position.
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I have a Hotone Wah/Vol/EXP (Soulpress II) and it should be noted that you can't switch between Wah and EXP. The EXP out is always active. IMO that's quite a shame because if these could be switched between it'd finally be the first pedal that'd take care of the "don't want my wah at the same position as the EXP-volume" issue. I would then control the volume via EXP inside the Stomp, post all dirt and still have the Wah in front.
Fwiw, the Soulpress Wah is boosting the signal a bit. Sometimes, when I just want a clean wah sound, using my clean rhythm patch, I need to dial back the guitar volume just a little bit. Can be a tad annoying but I'm getting along with it.
 
Achilles said:
NMD:
Just got my shiny new [insert brand here] and after a few hours with it I can honestly say it's 100% indistinguishable from any tube amp.

A year later.....
Just loaded update x.x.x and it's a game changer! The models sound so much realer now!

3 years later.....
Just loaded update x.x.x and it's a total game changer. The models really do sound incredibly real now.

5 years later......

Regardless the platform, this is a major part of why I keep bailing on digital. It's impossible not to get caught up in it
since it's a huge part of the whole digital thing. It's really a lot like a drug after a while.
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It's the same thing that drives all of the constant amp, cab, pedal, speaker and pickup changes and NGD's. Constantly churning digital gear is the same thing. Often repurchasing the same gear several times. I admit to feeling the yearning for imminent Fractal firmware to trickle down to the FM9.

I just can't justify the kind of cash that people constantly throw at gear to essentially dial in pretty much the same sounds. Or always looking for the "perfect" solution that doesn't exist. I live vicariously though them though, because new gear days are fun.

I've posted before that I'm kind of out of place on gear forums. Since 2008 I've used only an Axe-FX standard, and now an FM9T. The last NGD I had is a partscaster 2HB Tele I put together in 2016. I have a Warmoth Tele neck that I've been sitting on and will eventually finish a traditional style build. And you can bet your ass I'll make a NGD post about it. Those dopamine boosts are few and far between for me. :rofl
 
KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!! said:
It's the same thing that drives all of the constant amp, cab, pedal, speaker and pickup changes and NGD's. Constantly churning digital gear is the same thing. Often repurchasing the same gear several times. I admit to feeling the yearning for imminent Fractal firmware to trickle down to the FM9.

I just can't justify the kind of cash that people constantly throw at gear to essentially dial in pretty much the same sounds. Or always looking for the "perfect" solution that doesn't exist. I live vicariously though them though, because new gear days are fun.

I've posted before that I'm kind of out of place on gear forums. Since 2008 I've used only an Axe-FX standard, and now an FM9T. The last NGD I had is a partscaster 2HB Tele I put together in 2016. I have a Warmoth Tele neck that I've been sitting on and will eventually finish a traditional style build. And you can bet your ass I'll make a NGD post about it. Those dopamine boosts are few and far between for me. :rofl
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I admire your reserved nature.
 
KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!! said:
It's the same thing that drives all of the constant amp, cab, pedal, speaker and pickup changes and NGD's. Constantly churning digital gear is the same thing. :rofl
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I was talking software but I get your point. HUGE difference though.

1. Buy an amp/pedal/cab and you dial it in until you 100% love the tone.

Then it's pretty much plug & play - until you have enough extra funds to indulge in more of the same.

2. Buy a digital modeler/captures/profiles device. You dial it in until you 100% love the tone.

Then it's plug & play until you can afford more devices.
........ or you decide to purchase or download additional models/presets/captures/IRs etc
........ or a new firmware is released


The same thing generally. But also not nearly the same granular details and effort involved.
Not saying whether it's good or bad because it's a personal choice, but they're very different IMO.
 
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The really crappy thing about physical gear is that you listen to the sound clips and read all the hype, then purchase, and when you get it set up and it just doesn't sound good with your rig. So you spend a bunch of time trying to get it to fit in and sometimes convince yourself it's pretty decent, and then it goes into the closet.

I'm cleaning out my home office now and putting everything on the shelf except for the Quad Cortex, the Amped 1, and the Orange 1x12. Just gotta force myself to keep it simple.

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Didn’t Periphery use older Axe-FX units until recently? I bet nobody in this forum could tell the difference between an older unit and a current iteration…

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paisleywookiee said:
This is a fantastic example of someone who’s discerning still using older tech.
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IME, "newer tech" - I had an Axe-Fx II for a few years - may have made it easier for some folks to get the sounds they wanted, but the sonic difference once I had gotten my sounds dialed was negligible. The biggest difference for me is in the number of tone-influencing (e.g., amp, drive, compressor, EQ, cab sim) blocks I had to place in the signal chain to get what I'm looking for. The newer devices tend to require fewer addons, but that's irrelevant to me once I've finished building a preset. At that point, all modelers are just boxes you plug your guitar into. My Standard still does just fine, although I won't take a rack to a gig or rehearsal these days. In that case, I'll take my Atomic Amplifire (retroactively called "Amplifire 3").
 
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AFKAEjay said:
That switching between functionality is prob a bit costly…in my mind you’d have to control some resistance thingy that stays where it’s at when you switch to another function.
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Well, for me it'd be fine if the non used half would stay all the way opened, so volume would be at 100% once the wah is engaged and vice versa. It's like that with standard wah/vol arrangements in whatever modelers, too.

AFKAEjay said:
Anyway….are the LEDs visible enough to add value?
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Probably. But as they're on the left side, they're kinda hidden (pedal is on the right of the other stuff). But I never look at them anyway. However, there's just 4 LEDs, so that might not be fine enough.

AFKAEjay said:
The travel on those tiny pedals isn’t much reference either..
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That's something I really love with the Hotone. For my taste, the travel range is perfect. Pretty large range but not as much as on, say, an Ernie Ball volume pedal. I actually had problems using my 535 Cry Baby because the travel range was sooo tiny in comparison. I almost hated it - and I used that one for decades.
Could possibly serve as a nice visual indicator, too.
 
BahamaDada said:
Late to the thread (8 pages in 1 day? Wow!)

Yep, got sick of modellers. Kept modellers. Bought amps. Got sick of amps. Sold amps.

Got over it. Still love modellers.

I can 100% understand this feeling.

Playing too much with headphones (with backing tracks even worse) is like always rubbing your disco stick, but you ever get to use it with your prefered sex. You get weird thoughts.

You NEED both: Modellers and real amps. And pedals. Many pedals.
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I’m not 100% sure what you said but I agree. :beer
 
Cygnus was a step up to my ears and hands. Otherwise, it is possible to get great sounds out of all of them. I have Fractal, Helix, Tonex, Tonemaster, Boss and I dig them all for what they are. But I still find that there are times when an amp and pedals fits the venue or situation better. Still, I prefer the flexibility of my FM3 or Boss GX-100 setups for stage when it makes sense. I also have a pretty cool Tonex board that I use at home for practice and recording while my Friedman and Fender amps sit there looking at me. :wat
 
Convenience and versatility are the primary values derived from modeling in my world.

Showing up to a club with my entire pedal chain and several amps packed into a backpack is just really damn convenient.

Maybe the clubs monitoring sucks, well, I can drop in ears right down to Helix and that problem is solved as well.

maybe I want to feel the amp moving air, cool, either drop my RCF HD10 behind me OR I can bring an amp and use the Helix to cover fx, switching, tuner, and snapshot changes.

In a perfect world I still prefer a loud tube rig tailored to whatever I’m playing, but this isn’t a perfect world and modeling gives me escape hatches when things go sideways.
 
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