Why is spring reverb so hard to model?

[metropolis_4]

I didn't suggest anything for anyone, just saying what I'd like to do. I'm happy if I never buy another amp with a real spring reverb tank.

Congratulations?

 

[JiveTurkey]

Have you watched the 60 Cycle Hum TPM video @metropolis_4

 

[metropolis_4]

Have you watched the 60 Cycle Hum TPM video @metropolis_4

Umm… yes. And a TMP made its way back into my cart soon after

 

[JiveTurkey]

Umm… yes. And a TMP made its way back into my cart soon after

report back

 

[jellodog]

Umm… yes. And a TMP made its way back into my cart soon after

I beg of you: Just give Cliff 3 more days.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I beg of you: Just give Cliff 3 more days.

Whatcha watchin'?

 

[jellodog]

Whatcha watchin'?

 

[metropolis_4]

report back

 

[metropolis_4]

I beg of you: Just give Cliff 3 more days.

By the time I finish typing this there will be a new Beta with updated spring reverbs and a new ‘63 tube reverb model.

Plus 5 new dirt pedal models, 2 new amp models…

 

[marshall2553]

Umm… yes. And a TMP made its way back into my cart soon after

Yeah, I've been on the fence just because that convolution spring reverb sounds amazing in some of the demos. And the Fender amp models don't sound too shabby either. If the higher gain stuff didn't consistently sound iffy in almost all of the reviews, I probably would have already pulled the trigger on one. I should just pickup a Golden Reverberator and stick it in the loop of my Axe Fx and stop looking at the TMP.

 

[jellodog]

By the time I finish typing this there will be a new Beta with updated spring reverbs and a new ‘63 tube reverb model.

As a counterpoint to the "buying a TMP" thing; I feel that I had the best tones I've ever had last night from the FM9.

I wasn't using the spring reverb though, admittedly.

 

[metropolis_4]

Yeah, I've been on the fence just because that convolution spring reverb sounds amazing in some of the demos. And the Fender amp models don't sound too shabby either. If the higher gain stuff didn't consistently sound iffy in almost all of the reviews, I probably would have already pulled the trigger on one. I should just pickup a Golden Reverberator and stick it in the loop of my Axe Fx and stop looking at the TMP.

As a counterpoint to the "buying a TMP" thing; I feel that I had the best tones I've ever had last night from the FM9.

I wasn't using the spring reverb though, admittedly.

My AxeFX knows we have an open relationship. It’s not going anywhere but I’m starting to think the TMP might be a good alternative to have around for certain types of gigs.

I have tons of gigs where I don’t need high gain and an amazing spring reverb with some good classic Fender models would be more useful

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Yup. I probably didn't word it to Jay's exacting standards.

I find it impossible to comprehend (likely because I am not smart nor experienced enough) that ramping
up a combo amp to an increasing volume is not going to also get that cab shaking and resonating more intensely,
which will then have an impact on that little springy thing in the little tanky thing that is screwed into and resting
on that boxy, little wooden thing.

just stop using resonance. When you are about to say “resonates” or “resonance increasing” or whatever just replace with “vibration”.

 

[fretworn]

“Sympathetic harmonics”

 

[metropolis_4]

“Sympathetic harmonics”

 

[dk_ace]

Hmmm, and here I was thinking it was a forgone conclusion that the FM9 would have a great spring. Sounds like I may have some work to do. I guess first order of business will be to compare to my Ventris and my fender combo and see if I can get something I’m happy with.

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[laxu]

I'm already forming a tribute band. It's called "Pathetic Harmonics!"

 

[SwirlyMaple]

You'd lose the bet, since that doesn't happen.

I know I’m going to regret this, but I’m curious what your rationale for this statement is.

I work in aerospace. Some of the environmental testing that happens on rocket payloads is acoustic testing, to make sure the coupled resonances of payloads with the launch vehicle’s insane noise/SPLs does not destroy the payload.

In general, every rigid structure has a resonant frequency. Guitar cabs will have one too. My old 1950s Danelectro cab vibrates and rattles so much that it’s part of its charm to me.

Even *if* the cab isn’t resonating and transmitting that to the reverb tank, the reverb tank itself as well as the spring(s) inside will also have their own natural frequencies, which will get excited by the sound from the speaker if the speaker is producing those frequencies.

So… how are you so sure that either the sound from the speaker and/or coupled resonance with the cab has no impact on a reverb tank? In my day job experience doing what I do, I would expect it to be affected to some extent.

 

[jellodog]

Hmmm, and here I was thinking it was a forgone conclusion that the FM9 would have a great spring. Sounds like I may have some work to do.

It depends what you're looking for. This example with the "boing!" parameter turned up is fairly surfy and drippy:

Surfy reverb

In about a 2 month span I've done a great deal of homework in creating and tweaking presets for a covers band and doing several gigs. As related in a longer post elsewhere, the consistency/quality of live sound, monitoring options and ease of setup/teardown have been a revelation. I still feel...

forum.fractalaudio.com

 

[la szum]

just stop using resonance. When you are about to say “resonates” or “resonance increasing” or whatever just replace with “vibration”.

I know what I meant.

I also know better than to try and appease other people and their "standards." Especially "some" people.

#exerciseinfutility