(UPDATED for new FW!) EVH amp vs Axe Fx, QC and TMP...

[jellodog]

Yeah, or at least as many as are in the FM9. When your competitor has more of your amps in their unit than you do in yours, well, that’s kinda embarrassing.

Especially when the Fender amps they did include in the TMP are mostly '65 black panel amps which all have the same preamp circuit and tone stack - but different power sections. It certainly helps it seem like there's more amps included. Copy and paste half the amp! It's almost cheating

 

[Frodebro]

Especially when the Fender amps they did include in the TMP are mostly '65 black panel amps which all have the same preamp circuit and tone stack - but different power sections. It certainly helps it seem like there's more amps. Copy and paste half the amp! It's almost "cheating"

I think they chose the blackfaces based on the popularity of their own reissues, but competing in the modeling world means tweeds, too. Basically, if they focused on 1964 and older models, and as many of them as possible, they’d be in pretty good shape.

 

[timbuck3]

Especially when the Fender amps they did include in the TMP are mostly '65 black panel amps which all have the same preamp circuit and tone stack - but different power sections. It certainly helps it seem like there's more amps included. Copy and paste half the amp! It's almost cheating

laziness is how i would say it. least amount of work to get 1700.00

 

[eggpl@nt]

You know they just took them GTX amp models, dipped in that same 6 year old GTX buttermilk and threw them right back in the frier

> buttermilk? *furls brow*
> frier
> oh, ok

 

[la szum]

Fender Tone Masturd Pro: "Half the tones for twice the price."

 

[norminal]

Fender Tone Masturd Pro: "Half the tones for twice the price."

Fender Tone Master Pro:

The feature set is complete, but not.

 

[Frodebro]

laziness is how i would say it. least amount of work to get 1700.00

I think it's more likely design by committee, with the bean counters and their spreadsheets ticking off numbers.

 

[timbuck3]

I think it's more likely design by committee, with the bean counters and their spreadsheets ticking off numbers.

if so even more of a reason not to buy one.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

@GuitarJon do you still have the TMP at hand?

 

[GuitarJon]

@GuitarJon do you still have the TMP at hand?

I do

 

[JiveTurkey]

I do

 

[MirrorProfiles]

does putting your red seven into resistive mode make your amps sound more like the models in TMP?

 

[GuitarJon]

I did a comparison of the new updated EVH and JCM800 vs my real amps... soon!

 

[GuitarJon]

Fender released a new firmware (1.2.56) for the TMP and they made some changes to the EVH and JCM 800. Of course I was very interested and excited to try them out and compare them to my real amps. Here are the results:

 

[Lysander]

Fender released a new firmware (1.2.56) for the TMP and they made some changes to the EVH and JCM 800. Of course I was very interested and excited to try them out and compare them to my real amps. Here are the results:

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Now, that JCM 800 ain't bad sounding, but having experienced Helix's new Brit 2203...

 

[GuitarJon]

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Now, that JCM 800 ain't bad sounding, but having experienced Helix's new Brit 2203...

As I said in the video, it definitely doesn't sound bad! Just doesn't really sound like a JCM800, to my ears anyway. The whole thing that people love about those amps is that midrange "kerraaanngggg".... it's not really there in the model.

 

[OrganicZed]

Well, they did deliver on their promise to improve those models. However, they are still lacking the clarity and punch of the real amps. It sounds like we’re listening to a signal that has been processed through two IRs. The presence and thump have been neutered.

Edit: come to think of it, the amps sound like they are on a virtual resistive load rather than a reactive load. That lines up with what Fractal Audio found in their testing if I recall correctly.

 

[GuitarJon]

Well, they did deliver on their promise to improve those models. However, they are still lacking the clarity and punch of the real amps. It sounds like we’re listening to a signal that has been processed through two IRs. The presence and thump have been neutered.

Edit: come to think of it, the amps sound like they are on a virtual resistive load rather than a reactive load. That lines up with what Fractal Audio found in their testing if I recall correctly.

It's definitely not just the poweramp modeling or impedance curves. Most of the inaccuracies come from the preamp. A poweramp isn't going to magically change the tightness and gain structure of a preamp. However, it could definitely play a part in the overall EQ curve etc

 

[the-trooper]

... as well as some forums.

@GuitarJon is that all we are to you!? "Some forums"?!

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

Compared to the the real amps the TMP models sound really flat, as if Fender used a resistive load in the modeling process.