(UPDATED for new FW!) EVH amp vs Axe Fx, QC and TMP...

[gearJunkie]

And that's the entire point of it. Amps *this* short before giving up have a very special character. And lots of it. No need to like it, but there's certainly something to it.

Not disagreeing with you. I was simply stating I think in sounds like , not that it wasn't accurate or worthwhile modeling that behavior.

 

[iaresee]

Opinions and assholes, amiright?

 

[the-trooper]

I'm sure it does in case you're into polished low-tunage-chugga-chugga.

I'm not, still sounds horrible

 

[Sascha Franck]

Opinions and assholes, amiright?

Well, I don't think "can't be done with modeler XYZ" is much opinionated.

Anyhow, did you have to do much tweaking for that patch (such as going deep into whatever advanced parameters) or did you just crank the amp?

 

[iaresee]

Anyhow, did you have to do much tweaking for that patch (such as going deep into whatever advanced parameters) or did you just crank the amp?

I did exactly what I'd do to my real Tweed to make it do that: turned it all the way up. Just didn't lose my hearing doing it.

 

[iaresee]

I'm not, still sounds horrible

I am a Phish fan, so you really shouldn't trust what I think is good. All that piss in my ears and all that...

 

[laxu]

Don't get it, either. But it's happening all the time.

I've been involved in several betatests over the last decades - and releasing unfinished products seems to have become something pretty common when the product was software driven and could be updated (it's even worse with pure software products).
At least rather often, once a product gets closer to release, testers are being asked whether there's showstoppers left, both obvious and hidden ones. At that point in time there shouldn't be any obvious ones anymore, yet, some will often still slip through. But there shouldn't be any hidden ones anymore, either (the TBP ones might qualify as such). And those are actively allowed to slip through all the time, at least given my experiences as a tester and a user.

There's some reasons why this could happen, corporate greed (as the-trooper already mentioned) certainly being a major one. But sometimes companies just have less than qualified betatesters, such as folks being way up the arse of the company because they feel so special being testers (betatesting fanbois are the worst that could happen to you as a company, but for obvious reasons companies still love them), such as folks not really having a clue (often true for celebrity testers), such as badly coordinated tests and what not. I've seen all of this happening more than once (and sometimes all of it together). It's really making you wonder, because in the end it's absolutely stupid - but it still seems to happen again and again.

That's what you get with the Minimum Viable Product model. Good enough to put out, but a laundry list of known issues.

 

[sashimi]

@sashimi With regard to modeling accuracy. Can the Helix get this tone? This was recoded by @iaresee when Fractal released the Cygnus modeling update. I don't think I've ever heard another modeling platform recreate this type of splaty / blocking distortion in the way that real amps do.

These kinda tones have been dragging me towards Fractal again and again. And I actually don't think the HX modeling could get this done. That kinda "ouch, poor amp is *this* close to dying", in fact quite reminding me to some Neil Young sounds (that you've mentioned as well).



I'm sure it does in case you're into polished low-tunage-chugga-chugga.

I actually think I got pretty close with the grammatico lg jump and the stock cab in my stomp. But I’m not ready to post a clip to get it torn apart by the tone connoisseurs. I’m sure I’m missing something. I’m new to dialing in modelers, and I’ve never played a real tweed before. If I can get it close enough in a clip I might post it here to see what you guys think. Or maybe someone better at this than me should give it a shot. Now I really want to know if I can match it. I was playing a strat, I probably need to switch to something with p90s or humbuckers for this? Anyway the grammatico lg was getting mighty splatty for me. I’m going to experiment some more with it later today.

 

[duzie]

I actually think I got pretty close with the grammatico lg jump and the stock cab in my stomp. But I’m not ready to post a clip to get it torn apart by the tone connoisseurs. I’m sure I’m missing something. I’m new to dialing in modelers, and I’ve never played a real tweed before. If I can get it close enough in a clip I might post it here to see what you guys think. Or maybe someone better at this than me should give it a shot. Now I really want to know if I can match it. I was playing a strat, I probably need to switch to something with p90s or humbuckers for this? Anyway the grammatico lg was getting mighty splatty for me. I’m going to experiment some more with it later today.

I haven’t really noticed the forum members here really ripping someone’s tone .
Most here are decent people .

 

[OrganicZed]

@sashimi Cool! It looks like the Helix Gramatico is based on the LaGrange amp (which is a 5e3 clone), so that is a good choice for the starting point.

 

[iaresee]

But I’m not ready to post a clip to get it torn apart by the tone connoisseurs.

The key is to not give AF about what others think.

 

[duzie]

The key is to not give AF about what others think

Excellent advice .

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

@sashimi With regard to modeling accuracy. Can the Helix get this tone? This was recoded by @iaresee when Fractal released the Cygnus modeling update. I don't think I've ever heard another modeling platform recreate this type of splaty / blocking distortion in the way that real amps do.

First section is the Grammatico amp with both volumes and tone dimed through the stock Grammatico 1x12 cab. Second clip I dialed the bright volume down to 5. Third clip is the Fullerton jumped w/ everything dimed, fourth is Fullerton w/ bright volume down to 5 and at the end I think I went with bright volume dimes but normal backed off, and then changed over to the stock Fullerton 1x12 cab at the very end.

To me, the Grammatico is overly dramatico - it gets super compressed and saggy to the point it almost feels like there's a tremolo on or something. The actual deluxe model gets fuzzy and splatty and compressed, but a much more natural compression, imo. I think Helix is actually pretty great at this kind of thing -- it's an area where I prefer it to Fractal personally. Several other amp models can get pretty gnarly as long as you open up the tone stack.

 

[OrganicZed]

@Boudoir Guitar That's the ticket. It definitely does that nearly cutting out / hitting a wall thing.