Those Seymour Duncan Powerstage amps are utter tripe

Now only if someone would apply all this knowledge to create some proper IRs...
It's already happened. "Someone" has also already provided extensive specifics about how to do just that, and at least two other people have responded by using that information to guide them in acquiring their own IRs. The fact that nobody is offering them for sale might just have something to do with the time and effort required to acquire them, the resultant lack of a profitable market, the ease of piracy, and - this is really, really important - the fact that there is no single magic bullet that will give you the "tone" you think you're looking for. Just as with a monitor, a clean IR is one element of several you've got to address in order to satisfactorily replace an amp/cab with a modeler/monitor. For most folks out there, it's probably best not to waste your time trying.
 
It's already happened. "Someone" has also already provided extensive specifics about how to do just that, and at least two other people have responded by using that information to guide them in acquiring their own IRs. The fact that nobody is offering them for sale might just have something to do with the time and effort required to acquire them, the resultant lack of a profitable market, the ease of piracy, and - this is really, really important - the fact that there is no single magic bullet that will give you the "tone" you think you're looking for. Just as with a monitor, a clean IR is one element of several you've got to address in order to satisfactorily replace an amp/cab with a modeler/monitor. For most folks out there, it's probably best not to waste your time trying.
I like you, Jay! I also think that you should invent some kind of matrix omni speaker system where each speaker / cluster of speakers goes through its on IR based on its direction. Maybe use electrostatic speakers/hybrid?!

I don't expect any money from your invention but you could add a little "Inspired by SKU" stamp somewhere on the device in handwritten font.
 
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Create a proprietary ".polyIR" format that can only be loaded on the device itself and can only be bought from your online shop.
No more piracy, and profit!
 
Isn't the "problem" with Class D that manufacturers choose not to add large enough capacitors to store power for the next battery of needed power? Like for live use, the first kick drum can be awesome but the next few are garbage? I swear there were class d car stereo amps winning the SPL competitions that had massive caps built into them to keep the bass going.

I guess what I'm asking is if the commonly cited problem with Class D is actually a problem with Class D or just the implementation of them?
 
Isn't the "problem" with Class D that manufacturers choose not to add large enough capacitors to store power for the next battery of needed power? Like for live use, the first kick drum can be awesome but the next few are garbage? I swear there were class d car stereo amps winning the SPL competitions that had massive caps built into them to keep the bass going.

I guess what I'm asking is if the commonly cited problem with Class D is actually a problem with Class D or just the implementation of them?

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I like you, Jay!

Oh thank fuck, somebody finally said it!

I've been wanting to say the same thing for so long, but I feared that it would sound "weird". But now there's two of us here, spreading the Jay love. ❤️

Should we create some sort of pun name for our fan gang? Y'know, like the fans of Benedict Cumberbatch are called "Cumberbitches",
 
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Oh thank fuck, somebody finally said it!

I've been wanting to say the same thing for so long, but I feared that it would sound "weird". But now there's two off us here, spreading the Jay love. ❤️

Should we create some sort of pun name for our fan gang? Y'know, like the fans of Benedict Cumberbatch are called "Cumberbitches",
Jay lol'd at one of my posts the other day. Progress. :rofl
 
I use them routinely. Once again, your lack of awareness does not prove that something you don't know about is not existent or even widely used.

Jay, I know you've praised the old Crown poweramps, but which currently made solid state poweramps would you recommend for guitar related tones?
 
I am happy using a "100W" Class D poweramp from aliexpress at bedroom volumes but even at that volume it is not as dynamic as tube power, I also don't hear difference between solid state class D and AB but I didn't have a chance to really crank either.
As a test I can run them into the reactive load and hear how much juice they really have to handle the palm mutes compared to 100W tubes.
 
I know know those exist but I've yet to see such tools commonly used when analysing things like cabinet responses ... or rather I would like to see them used in next IR technology ... sort of three-dimensional IRs ... maybe that's what BlugGuitar is talking about with his dynamic IRs.
Edit: read about these dynamics IRs and it seems that they are indeed some sort of IR with an extra dimension but that dimension seems to be amplitude ...

Dude, do you just come on here just to argue with people? Endlessly?

My best friend is argumentative like that. No matter what you say he has a reason why it's wrong and is compelled to say something different.

It's gotten to the point where I've said to him, many times now, "I'm not going to argue with you about this, let's change the subject."

He's my dear friend who I have great affection for but his compulsion to disagree with everything you say is annoying as hell.

Personally, I come here to learn things about gear, or to share my own experiences with gear. The whole "I'm right and you're wrong" thing is a complete waste of time. Yours and everyone else's.

It's not informative, it's just a futile attempt to prove that you know more than someone else.
 
I have a PS700. It's pretty good for powering the FM9's signal through my cab(s) but not as good as good as the EVH 50w Stealth head. If I was in a gig situation I'd probably use the FM9 into the EVH FX loop.

At home though, the EVH powering the dry cab and the PS700 powering the stereo wet cabs is fucking glorious.

Takes up too much space though so now it's a WDW rig with three FRFRs. 🤷🏾‍♂️
 
I've wrote about this topic here and in TOP many times.

I used a SD PS700 for a long time with the Helix and 4x12s in my hard rock band, a very loud band where the other guitarist played tube amps only.

The SD sounded pretty good with the mid end highs eq set flat and BASS set quite high. Otherwise sounded thin.
Once bass were compensated the rig blended perfectly within the band with no issues for the audience point of view, with a very good and sound. I really enjoyed it for what it was.

All that said I always preferred the response of tube power amps with my modeller.
I don't know why, my theory was that there's some interaction between the speakers and the tube power section that is missing with solid state amps.

I agree that, compared with the return of a tube amp, the PS700 lacked some punch but it's more a feeling thing than anything else.
Solid state power amps are not perfect but IMHO they do a great job

I repost it. This recording is made with two zoom field recorders (one facing the band, one facing the drums), left player (me) rig is helix+PS700+4x12, right player is using pedals and the Marshall head.

 
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Somehow I've missed this long thread until now and I just finished reading it all (I know, I'm a masochist), so I'll give my 2¢ (which will be pretty long, so I'm sadist as well 🤪).

Regarding feel, I pretty much agree with a post from @Orvillain , for me it is not just sound and the effect it has on our body and ears, but also how it reacts to playing and to the feedback circuit created when playing at a high enough volume.
What makes you feel "connected" with a real amp or even a good modeler (for me) imho is how the (real or virtual) amp reacts to all the small nuances of your playing, how notes bloom when you dig in, how palm mutes thump when you hit the strings in the right spot and with the right pick angle, how the tone gets rounder when you play softly, the speed with which it reacts to all this (i.e. transient response), etc.
And the reason you can't perceive this "feel" when you're not playing in first person is cuz you don't have information about how the hand is moving, so you just hear the final result without knowing what's the "input".
Same way as you can't tell how a car feels to drive by watching someone else driving it, you're simply not part of that "feedback loop".

Where I disagree with Orvillain is that the feel of a tube amp can't be matched by a modeler thru a class D power amp. It's not easy to do so but it's definitely feasible imho:

Firstly, obviously you need a power amp that can deliver the same wattage as your tube amp continuously, if your tube head is 100w the class D amp probably needs to be rated at 400 or 500 W at the impedance of your cab.

In my case, the most powerful tube amp I've ever owned was a hiwatt 50 W head and that was already unmanageable for the levels I usually play at, thru a 2x12. More recently I also had the little 20W EL84-based version which was perfect for my needs.

Currently I run my fm9 thru a diy built Icepower (basically the same thing you find inside the SD powerstage) 125asx2, which is stereo though and 2x125W into 4Ω or 2x65W into 8Ω. Continuous power is rated at 65W into 4Ω and 70W into 8Ω.
If you want you can check the specs for the SD PS170 too, just look for the 50asx2 datasheet.
(EDIT: just checked and it's rated for 50W at 4Ω and 100W at 8Ω 🤔)

A while back I measured with my multimeter the output voltage with a sine wave at the same maximum level I usually run my presets for the max out knob position I use, just to check if I was running everything within specs... and it turned out I never ever went past 25W per channel (the speakers in my cab are pretty efficient though), so in that case I have plenty of headroom on the power amp to not push it thru its limits and maybe even to avoid the phenomena Cliff and Jay described about the power supply.

Secondly, a very important part is to try to match the impedance curve in the modeler to the one of your real cab, I am lucky to have the curve of one of my cabs included in the Fractal firmware, when it was added a few years ago it made a night and day difference in the feel department and I bet that might be the #1 reason why most don't gel with modelers thru SS amps.
For the cabs I currently use I don't have the exact curves in the fm9, but I measured them anyway and tried to replicate them by editing the parameters, and I can say that once you manage to match the low resonance(s) you're 90% there. So I suggest all interested in trying that, there's a thread in the fractal forum where it's explained how to measure impedance curves with REW.
And no, trying to find the low resonant frequency just by playing chugga-chugga as was suggested years ago (even by Cliff) doesn't work, it's more likely you'll find a room mode with that method.

Third and last step is to fine tune some speaker related parameters.
Speaker compliance basically makes the impedance curve become dynamic, increasing it makes the resonant frequencies shift as you play, and I guess that might be part of why we perceive cabs as "lively" when paired with tube amps.
Speaker comp, when output mode is set to "SS PA + Cab", actually counteracts the thermal compression the real speaker has when it is driven by a SS power amp, as that is MORE than the compression it'd have with a tube power amp, so that parameter makes the sound more "bouncy" and dynamic.

With all these tweaks in the end I managed to match the feel of my tube amps pretty closely and maybe make it even better for my taste. Ymmv
 
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