Some interesting news from Kemper (Profiler Player)

[Sascha Franck]

because they don't want to make a product that cannibalizes their main lineup

So, how did Line 6 and Fractal manage without crippling their software?
This is the question that Kemper should ask himself.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

So, how did Line 6 and Fractal manage without crippling their software?
This is the question that Kemper should ask himself.

well during the axe2 and ax8 days they limited some blocks...like only one dynamics block. No dual amps etc...

 

[Tanax]

So, how did Line 6 and Fractal manage without crippling their software?
This is the question that Kemper should ask himself.

What do you mean? FM3 can't do everything the AX3 can? FM3 is by that sense crippled?

 

[eggpl@nt]

What do you mean? FM3 can't do everything the AX3 can? FM3 is by that sense crippled?

Sascha said "without crippling."

That said, yes there are a couple things the FMx devices can't do, but they are relatively minor omissions (e.g. the FMx devices don't have the Bias Tremolo control in the Amp block). For the most part, there is parity between the platforms (barring updates that haven't migrated to the FMx devices).

 

[Sascha Franck]

well during the axe2 and ax8 days they limited some blocks...like only one dynamics block. No dual amps etc...

But wasn't that related to the available horsepower?

 

[Tanax]

Sascha said "without crippling."

That said, yes there are a couple things the FMx devices can't do, but they are relatively minor omissions (e.g. the FMx devices don't have the Bias Tremolo control in the Amp block). For the most part, there is parity between the platforms (barring updates that haven't migrated to the FMx devices).

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So Fractal crippled the FM3 by having less DSP then?
I mean it's all semantics, if it's crippled via software or crippled via hardware - for the end user the result is the same, you can't do X stuff on device Y.

 

[Sascha Franck]

What do you mean? FM3 can't do everything the AX3 can? FM3 is by that sense crippled?

It's pretty much entirely because of CPU limitations.

 

[Tanax]

It's pretty much entirely because of CPU limitations.

Right, so crippled by hardware.

 

[eggpl@nt]

So Fractal crippled the FM3 by having less DSP then?
I mean it's all semantics, if it's crippled via software or crippled via hardware - for the end user the result is the same, you can't do X stuff on device Y.

I think I misunderstood your comment. I took it as a question, not a point to be made.

Personally (just to clarify my stance), I wouldn't consider the FMx devices crippled compared to the Axe. They used different parts, which was required to hit a certain price point, and that came with some minor limitations.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

But wasn't that related to the available horsepower?

Iirc yes.

 

[texhex]

yea but 750.00? TOO much! 399 sounds about right.. dont get why companies want to sell less units at a higher price then more units at a lower price?

$399? How much money do you think they would make per unit selling these for $399? Keep in mind they are going to be sold through retail (Sweetwater, GC, etc.) as well as direct and they are made in GERMANY. Dude, come on.

 

[Mongillo19]

$399? How much money do you think they would make per unit selling these for $399? Keep in mind they are going to be sold through retail (Sweetwater, GC, etc.) as well as direct and they are made in GERMANY. Dude, come on.

The real question is would Tim buy it at $399

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

$399? How much money do you think they would make per unit selling these for $399? Keep in mind they are going to be sold through retail (Sweetwater, GC, etc.) as well as direct and they are made in GERMANY. Dude, come on.

What do you actually think the made in Germany means in man power €€€€?

Minimum wage is 12€.
I'm fairly certain the boards are wave soldered, likely not in house so final assbly of one of those boxes gotta be under 3 hours.

Even if they do the boards in house and populate them by hand it's another hour max.

This reminds me of the same song and dance when folks thought that Axe-Fx is made from scratch in the US.

 

[ispunk]

You want something for 399? Buy a Mooer you cheap fucks

 

[Mongillo19]

This reminds me of the same song and dance when folks thought that Axe-Fx is made from scratch in the US.

Yeah, it's made in Fractal Land, duh

 

[texhex]

What do you actually think the made in Germany means in man power €€€€?

Minimum wage is 12€.
I'm fairly certain the boards are wave soldered, likely not in house so final assbly of one of those boxes gotta be under 3 hours.

Even if they do the boards in house and populate them by hand it's another hour max.

This reminds me of the same song and dance when folks thought that Axe-Fx is made from scratch in the US.

Regardless they still need to be assembled, packaged and shipped all over the world from Germany. All that extra stuff costs money, $399 is a ludicrous price to expect.

 

[GTR37]

So, how did Line 6 and Fractal manage without crippling their software?
This is the question that Kemper should ask himself.

You know who probably is very happy with CK at the moment NDSP
Prior to this release you had capturing / profiling in the ToneX .
And that set a ridiculous low price point because prior to that you were well over the $1000 to get that tech
I am sure if NDSP or others were working on a capture loader only they did not want to compete at the 300 USD level so Kemper has kind of helped here IMO

 

[Eagle]

$399? How much money do you think they would make per unit selling these for $399? Keep in mind they are going to be sold through retail (Sweetwater, GC, etc.) as well as direct and they are made in GERMANY. Dude, come on.

Out of 100% Chinese parts. Even at $399 there is probably a good margin because there is ZERO r&d spend in this product. It's like Line 6 came up with it.
The CEO of Kemper and Line 6 is Chat GTP now???

 

[nicolasrivera]

You know who probably is very happy with CK at the moment NDSP
Prior to this release you had capturing / profiling in the ToneX .
And that set a ridiculous low price point because prior to that you were well over the $1000 to get that tech
I am sure if NDSP or others were working on a capture loader only they did not want to compete at the 300 USD level so Kemper has kind of helped here IMO

Yes and no. Kemper has never been known for an amazing screen in the main devices. On the other hand NDSP's main interface is the touch screen. Kemper player has no screen, a good thing IMO, but a Capture player from NDSP with out a screen would be hard to sell and even harder to make at that KP price point.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Right, so crippled by hardware.

Of course. But that's to be expected. Hence, nobody's complaining about the L6 or FAS way.