Some interesting news from Kemper (Profiler Player)

Enchilada Jones said:
My best guess is the Player was released with Kempers’ eye on all the market changes. Early reactions indicators point at big success. Could be well organized hype too I suppose if I want to be crazy cynical but I’m thinking it is genuine instead.
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£700 and no screen so no. As is £350 or something usable £700. Kemper 2 is looooooooonnnnnggggg overdue.
 
Antipodes said:
The word is that that is no longer the case with liquid profiles. Using the controls on an existing profile is no longer deleterious to the authenticity of the amp character.
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I never had an issue with adjusting a profile. The EQ is just like post processing EQ. Changing the gain can be decent or not depending on the profile but I have no issues with it either, in general.
 
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Sascha Franck said:
Yeah, but quality of both the profiling and the hardware was quite off.
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I don´t think the quality of Mooer profiling is off.

It gets often confused with their tone capture (present in the GE250/300), or with the Preamp Live (which was a fail, IMO, since Mooer said it would have MNRS loader and they never did).

They also have "profiles", so to speak. They are made with GE Labs app in iOS (the hardware units do not profile). Then, those profiles (called MNRS) can be loaded in the hardware units (even in the GE200 or the Preamp X2, which can be ordered for aprox 100€ through Ali..Press).

Leo Gibson has a comparison video against the Kemper... and well... the result is not bad at all.

I also think that profiling is going to be a normal feature in no time. if it can be DIYed (NAM or NeuralPi, for instance), it can be easily implemented by any brand. Five years ago (well, or whatever years ago) it was awesome to think about having IRs in cheap units. Nowadays they all have, even the cheapest.
 
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yeky83 said:
Dunno… used Kemper price has plummeted in the last year or so. They’ve dropped the retail price in response, and the used price has fallen even more. I hope the Player works out for them, but it may be late…
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player resale will be crap i bet...under 400 after a year or so used.
 
I don't imagine this KPP project was undertaken without a significant amount of market research. I wonder what Kemper's research shows about the proportion of customers who actually ever dip into the more advanced parameters. Maybe not many at all. If so, they may be using a more simplified version of the UI catering to their target market.

I like being able to tweak those things but I am not really the target for this device I guess. If I wanted one - for easy portability - I would want it to reproduce the results obtained on the other products in the range. Perhaps that is what will be offered by the updgrade discussed.
 
Antipodes said:
I don't imagine this KPP project was undertaken without a significant amount of market research. I wonder what Kemper's research shows about the proportion of customers who actually ever dip into the more advanced parameters. Maybe not many at all. If so, they may be using a more simplified version of the UI catering to their target market.

I like being able to tweak those things but I am not really the target for this device I guess. If I wanted one - for easy portability - I would want it to reproduce the results obtained on the other products in the range. Perhaps that is what will be offered by the updgrade discussed.
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seriously? A profiler player that doesn't let you adjust advanced parameters? I see no point to swap this for tonex if that's the case.
What I wanna know is can you adjust it on the editor or is that a no go either
 
Antipodes said:
I don't imagine this KPP project was undertaken without a significant amount of market research. I wonder what Kemper's research shows about the proportion of customers who actually ever dip into the more advanced parameters. Maybe not many at all. If so, they may be using a more simplified version of the UI catering to their target market.

I like being able to tweak those things but I am not really the target for this device I guess. If I wanted one - for easy portability - I would want it to reproduce the results obtained on the other products in the range. Perhaps that is what will be offered by the updgrade discussed.
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yea but 750.00? TOO much! 399 sounds about right.. dont get why companies want to sell less units at a higher price then more units at a lower price?
 
timbuck3 said:
yea but 750.00? TOO much! 399 sounds about right.. dont get why companies want to sell less units at a higher price then more units at a lower price?
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It's called making a profit, which is good - as opposed to making a loss, which is bad!

Kemper units are made in Germany, not the far east, so the cost to build will be higher.

Anecdotally, the initial production run is already sold out, so they couldn't sell more even if they wanted to...
 
I keep thinking about getting one lol.

I just really like the idea of having this small little thing on my desk. For some reason I didn't really get this thinky about the ToneX pedal. I guess because I'm a bit sour with IK Multimedia at the moment.
 
Antipodes said:
I don't imagine this KPP project was undertaken without a significant amount of market research. I wonder what Kemper's research shows about the proportion of customers who actually ever dip into the more advanced parameters. Maybe not many at all. If so, they may be using a more simplified version of the UI catering to their target market.
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I would wager it is the same situation as for Fractal or Helix users. Most won't touch any of the advanced settings regardless of block type.

I'm sure Kemper has thought hard about it because they don't want to make a product that cannibalizes their main lineup. This will appeal to people who liked e.g Kemper profiles, but didn't like their effects, or people who simply wanted something more portable/cheaper. It will also appeal to people who have a Kemper already but want a more portable option with the same tones they can take on a trip etc. Despite owning an Axe-Fx 3, I think I should have kept my FM3 as well just because it's more portable.
 
Foxmeister said:
I'm 100% certain that TGF group-think is far more knowledgeable than CK when it comes to a market he's being selling into for well over a decade... ;)
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Animation Illustration GIF by Janet Mac


I plotted some charts & graphs here to support my expert advice.
 
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Interesting plot twist: it seems the profiler player has the same exact DSP chip as the rack and floorboard, and they're planning to offer a paid update to expand its functionality to those of a full kemper (minus the profiling obv)

Ahhh What's that? A New Kemper Model? Profiler Player - Kemper Profiler Forum

https://youtu.be/1ObN-3_FwCM?si=365iD28vifjIThPm
www.kemper-amps.com www.kemper-amps.com

EDIT: oops, I just saw you already discussed this a few pages back
 
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