Some interesting news from Kemper (Profiler Player)

[yeky83]

Either that or too expensive. Same thing here.

Mm… then it makes me doubt your previous statement:

Personally, I am happily spending a premium on excellent stuff.

 

[Sascha Franck]

They’d have to allow stereo amps in my dream stereo-Player unit. I think Kemper FX are worthwhile, I like ‘em.

Well, guess you'd have to look elsewhere then. I.mean, they won't allow this unit to do dual amps as long as the flagships don't.
Fwiw, I think the Kemper FX are nice, but on this limited device, stereo ins IMO would be a waste.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Mm… then it makes me doubt your previous statement:

How so? The UA pedals are not good enough so I'd spend a premium. Not even remotely.

 

[yeky83]

Well, guess you'd have to look elsewhere then. I.mean, they won't allow this unit to do dual amps as long as the flagships don't.
Fwiw, I think the Kemper FX are nice, but on this limited device, stereo ins IMO would be a waste.

I just want my fantasy pedalboard of Chroma Console + Kemper Player to work! would be a nice little aesthetic pairing of fun pedal + core-tone pedal, but alas… Chroma Console in mono seems a waste.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I just want my fantasy pedalboard of Chroma Console + Kemper Player to work! would be a nice little aesthetic pairing of fun pedal + core-tone pedal, but alas… Chroma Console in mono seems a waste.

Did you order a Chroma Console already?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, it seems I've gotten something important wrong: the encoders actually are endless types. That's changing quite a lot for me (I absolutely loathe fixed 270° encoders on programmable devices). So, compared to the larger units, things won't be that different but only require some getting used to.
My apologies (seriously) to anyone I might have annoyed or confused with my complaints regarding this issue.

 

[ejecta]

#LCD-GATE

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Christoph Kemper responded in the Kemper forum to this comment:

It's a not an good idea to charge extra for updates to this device if you ask me, IF that is what Kemper actually intends to do in the future. Charging for feature enhancements puts Kemper hardware products into a totally different category IMO.

“We would charge for rising the Player to a different level. And it would be one different level only, lifting it into a different product category. Free of hazzle.

But this would not cut the Player off from the free feature updates that we have pioneered back in 1998 (Access Virus Synthesizers)

There is free feature updates in the works where both levels would benefit.“
- Christoph Kemper

 

[norminal]

For a display UI on the device to comfortably access the large number of parameters, we would have had to scrap nearly all controls on the surface, leaving merely the Gain and Master Volume and something. This was not what we wanted, knowing that many users prefer to edit sounds using a comfortable remote app anyway.

Laughs in HX One and TONEX Pedal.

 

[texhex]

Christoph Kemper responded in the Kemper forum to this comment:



“We would charge for rising the Player to a different level. And it would be one different level only, lifting it into a different product category. Free of hazzle.

But this would not cut the Player off from the free feature updates that we have pioneered back in 1998 (Access Virus Synthesizers)

There is free feature updates in the works where both levels would benefit.“
- Christoph Kemper

I replied to him in that thread. It’s good to hear that they will not be charging for updates but rather an upgrade to the device. It will be interesting to see how Kemper intends to manage this as it’s something new for them.

 

[creative360]

Kempers were already earning their keep, for years, before any major free updates. Using nothing but the legacy effects, with zero external pedals—pre- morph, pre- editor—it was already so easy, so good.

Of course a tiny unit that does everything the big guys do would've been great, at almost any price. What CK has released instead is a totally giggable device with best in class tones at a not cheap but decent (for Kemper) price.

Again this unit has everything in it that so many guitarists were using to earn a living making music since way before the new drives etc etc, but in a new fun size package.

Historically, despite similarly at first-read head-scratchy specs—and the requisite similarly knee-jerk, secondhand hate—every product CK has ever released has gone on to major success. Biggest tours. Hit records. Tv shows. Movies. And yeah, they’re even all over P&W and local gigging environments. (Although a Princeton with pedals is still a great alternative for most people’s gigs).

Nobody has to buy this product. But it will be a hit. It probably already is, literally. I’m not sure why that’s important here, as long as it’s available to guitarists who want them. But it will be. And you know this is one company that will continue to support and evolve the device going forward.

Nothing I’ve read about it here neuters this thing. Thanks g*d for no screen. And I’m sure that eventually if I need to play through one, and I make music with it instead of overthinking equipment, as ever it’ll be me not it to blame if I don’t blow minds.

ymmv

 

[Jarick]

Imo

If you’re going to use 20 different profiles on this thing you’re likely integrating with a midi switcher that has a screen already

Otherwise you can probably use it like a 2-3 channel switcher right?

Or maybe core amp tone plus a couple effect switches?

 

[creative360]

PS
As my rig still works great ten years in and is portable, at least by a relatively recent standard, what would really make this guy happy is a Kemper plugin inside my studio and mobile recording environment. Small is super cool, but for me not a super game-changer compared to what I already use.

 

[Antipodes]

That too. As if people were applauding Tesla...

But especially the nonsense about "we couldn't make the poweramp an update because of blahblah..." is just utter BS. There's no technical reason for that.

I gathered that the proposed user install of stuff (120/240 V power amp Module) which takes power direct from the wall is a big no no in many jurisdictions due to electrical safety certification laws. Why would he lie? The hole in the back was there from Day 1.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Thanks g*d for no screen.

Hey, next up for you: the Air Kemper. Equivalent of an air guitar.
If you love no screens, I'm sure you like no knobs, no switches, no case and - most important - no sound even more! Best of it: you could still praise CK!

 

[Sascha Franck]

I gathered that the proposed user install of stuff (120/240 V power amp Module) which takes power direct from the wall is a big no no in many jurisdictions due to electrical safety certification laws. Why would he lie? The hole in the back was there from Day 1.

So how comes this works for the Camplifier?

 

[Sascha Franck]

If you’re going to use 20 different profiles on this thing you’re likely integrating with a midi switcher that has a screen already

No. I'm not using a MIDI switcher with my HX Stomp, either.

 

[Antipodes]

So how comes this works for the Camplifier?

Am I correct in thinking the Camplifier takes its inputs from the KPA outputs and has separate power supply - so two power leads to the unit with the Camplifier installed?

The Kemper amp unit retro fit and the home brew Ice Power unit installations involve the end user (potentially clueless about electrical safety) digging around in the internal wiring of a device with full line voltage running around in it. Anything like that these days has "No user servicable parts inside" plastered over the outside. Probably for the same reason that convex mirrors have stickers saying like "things may appear further away than in reality" on them. Lawsuits.

The other thing is the Camplifier is a small volume import which just comes in via shipping companies one unit at a time to the end user. What it is and what you do with it is probably not regulated in the same way that a container load of KPAs is when passing through customs with the intention being that it will be sold at retail businesses. I have been told that all kinds of electrical stuff I used to be able to buy - eg cheap dual polarity multi-volt wall wart power supplies (eg 9/12./18 volt) are not able to be sold in Australia anymore under current certification rules. You need to pony up for the superior quality low noise switching power units for $$$.

 

[Sascha Franck]

@Antipodes, it's all a matter of design. You can slap a poweramp into a rack without having a degree in electronics. You can even slap a poweramp into DIY active speaker kits. So no, I don't buy that "required certificates worked against us" thing. They could make more money as is, so that's what they did. All fine with me, but they shouldn't tell me nonsense.

 

[Enchilada Jones]

@Antipodes, it's all a matter of design. You can slap a poweramp into a rack without having a degree in electronics. You can even slap a poweramp into DIY active speaker kits. So no, I don't buy that "required certificates worked against us" thing. They could make more money as is, so that's what they did. All fine with me, but they shouldn't tell me nonsense.

You don't know, you just assume your instinct is correct. You have been wrong about a few other things so far, why not show some grace and civility until you find out? And if then you are proven correct have at it...if wrong then you save yourself, and the conversation, from unnecessary agitation.