Randall Smith Gone From Mesa Boogie/Gibson?

[MirrorProfiles]

Also fluffs influence with the recto is just ridiculously overstated by a small handful of people on the internet. It’s not like the recto was some unknown obscure amp before fluff started making videos about them. That’s just absurd

is this the same Fluff who was working with them as a Mesa artist?

There’s many years worth of forum posts on Grailtone from him, as well as youtube videos of various revisions of the amp. There are very few others that have provided that kind of information and examples, let alone making a website dedicated to it. That’s not to say that it’s useful to everyone, but I’m glad he’s shared those examples, information and videos regardless of his tones (which are fine to me, not incredible but not awful).

Fluff only deserves the kind of treatment he got if him specifically saying it has any kind of additional weight to it than anyone else saying it.

I guess Gibson decided that it was unacceptable to have someone associated with the company telling the truth, or at least, the truth as Randall sees it. Gibson obviously did not want the line to come out that Randall was fired, and are on a mission to steer it the way they want it.

That’s their decision to make, but IMO, anyone working with Gibson now in a similar capacity is going to same like an even bigger bootlicker than before.

 

[EOengineer]

Disagree completely. did not seem like “loyalty to Randall” in the slightest. Spreading rumors about someone being fired is rude and disrespectful in any circumstance, but especially when it was blatant pot stirring. Pure clickbait. There was no record to set straight even, Randall’s departure hadn’t even been announced yet, fluff just wanted to be “first”


Also fluffs influence with the recto is just ridiculously overstated by a small handful of people on the internet. It’s not like the recto was some unknown obscure amp before fluff started making videos about them. That’s just absurd

He’s also almost as bad as Dinesh at dialing in Mesas

The guy put together the most comprehensive online resource that exists covering the complete history of the rectifier circuit.

Sure, he’s not Cantrell or Adam Jones, but I don’t really get the hate.

 

[[Nathan]]

I’d never even seen this thread here and the timing is pretty funny

I dunno why everyone’s acting puzzled at the legitimacy of his original post. Seems pretty clear to me that an employee of Mesa or Randall Smith told him directly. If he named names of the source, that would be a way more terrible move (not make it more credible).

 

[EOengineer]

I’d never even seen this thread here and the timing is pretty funny

I dunno why everyone’s acting puzzled at the legitimacy of his original post. Seems pretty clear to me that an employee of Mesa or Randall Smith told him directly. If he named names of the source, that would be a way more terrible move (not make it more credible).

I definitely interpret this more as loyalty to Randall and a probably impulsive reaction to legitimate outrage that Randall would be forcibly removed from Mesa by anyone, let alone Gibson.

 

[LCW]

As a representative for a certain company, you are held to certain guidelines and spewing inside info when it’s not your job is grounds for discipline or termination.

Anyone who’s worked for a decent sized company knows this. It’s part of “corporate conduct”.

Fluff acted childishly and against company policy and got burned for it. He should have known better. Sucks but that’s how it goes.

 

[EOengineer]

As a representative for a certain company, you are held to certain guidelines and spewing inside info when it’s not your job is grounds for discipline or termination.

Anyone who’s worked for a decent sized company knows this. It’s part of “corporate conduct”.

Fluff acted childishly and against company policy and got burned for it. He should have known better. Sucks but that’s how it goes.

I’m surprised he was surprised Gibson cut ties with him.

 

[LCW]

I’m surprised he was surprised Gibson cut ties with him.

He’s either naive or dumb to the big boy adult world.

 

[[Nathan]]

As a representative for a certain company, you are held to certain guidelines and spewing inside info when it’s not your job is grounds for discipline or termination.

Anyone who’s worked for a decent sized company knows this. It’s part of “corporate conduct”.

Fluff acted childishly and against company policy and got burned for it. He should have known better. Sucks but that’s how it goes.

Honestly, yawn….. Everyone shits on YouTubers for being shills and puppets and the one time a situation close to his heart devastates him he shares it with the world (and then removes it 20mins later because they called him)…. I respect him more honestly.

Of course it’s a bad move and of course they have every right to remove him, that’s fine. But the info is out there and he’s probably a large reason to thank for it

 

[EOengineer]

He’s either naive or dumb to the big boy adult world.

It’s also not impossible he’s playing dumb for the camera now. He could have overestimated the outrage or his reach.

I’ve wondered if Randall is his source.

 

[LCW]

It’s also not impossible he’s playing dumb for the camera now. He could have overestimated the outrage or his reach.

I’d love to find out his source was Randall.

Randall: Fluff who?

 

[EOengineer]

Mr Randall: Fluff who?

 

[LCW]

Honestly, yawn….. Everyone shits on YouTubers for being shills and puppets and the one time a situation close to his heart devastates him he shares it with the world (and then removes it 20mins later because they called him)…. I respect him more honestly.

Of course it’s a bad move and of course they have every right to remove him, that’s fine. But the info is out there and he’s probably a large reason to thank for it

Nothing noble about what Fluff did. We’re not talking whistle blowing for some safety concerns at Boeing here.

How do you even know Randall wanted it publicly known. For all we know what Fluff did might have been a disrespect to Randall.

EDIT: and yes I saw the video where Randall himself says he was fired but he mentions it so casually and in a passing sentence that there’s no sense of outrage there whatsoever.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

As a representative for a certain company, you are held to certain guidelines and spewing inside info when it’s not your job is grounds for discipline or termination.

Anyone who’s worked for a decent sized company knows this. It’s part of “corporate conduct”.

Fluff acted childishly and against company policy and got burned for it. He should have known better. Sucks but that’s how it goes.

Ultimately I think he did the right thing, even if it means the end of a relationship. Who wants to work under those kinds of terms? That kind of working relationship is a two way street and if that’s how it goes, better to just get out the way and let some robot who stays in line take your place.

Wasn’t like Fluff was the one who broke that information either, it was all over the internet from various people who had close ties with Mesa. Everyone could read between the lines, and it happens all the time when someone sells a company. The real issue is Gibson want to present it as an amicable handing over of a company that’s in good hands and “the same old Mesa it always was”.

 

[[Nathan]]

Nothing noble about what Fluff did. We’re not talking whistle blowing for some safety concerns at Boeing here.

How do you even know Randall wanted it publicly known. For all we know what Fluff did might have been a disrespect to Randall.

How do you know he didn’t? We both don’t know but we do see Randall mentioning it so I guess he’s fine with it being known.

The thread has gone from everyone suggesting fluffs statements had no credibility to now, he did a bad thing. The common theme seems to be people don’t like him for some reason.

 

[[Nathan]]

Ultimately I think he did the right thing, even if it means the end of a relationship. Who wants to work under those kinds of terms? That kind of working relationship is a two way street and if that’s how it goes, better to just get out the way and let some robot who stays in line take your place.

Wasn’t like Fluff was the one who broke that information either, it was all over the internet from various people who had close ties with Mesa. Everyone could read between the lines, and it happens all the time when someone sells a company. The real issue is Gibson want to present it as an amicable handing over of a company that’s in good hands and “the same old Mesa it always was”.

Exactly… Gibson firing Randall is the headline really

 

[EOengineer]

How do you even know Randall wanted it publicly known. For all we know what Fluff did might have been a disrespect to Randall.

Unless that information came from Randall and he green lighted the leak. As you’ve noted there’s absolutely zero evidence that I’m aware of pointing to Randall being the source, but it does make this fun to watch.

I’ll add I doubt any of us in the corporate world were shocked when Randall was ousted. This is standard businesses businessing, unfortunately.

 

[LCW]

How do you know he didn’t? We both don’t know but we do see Randall mentioning it so I guess he’s fine with it being known.

The thread has gone from everyone suggesting fluffs statements had no credibility to now, he did a bad thing. The common theme seems to be people don’t like him for some reason.

Honestly I like Fluff and watched many of his Recto videos among others. But where you and I disagree is him “doing the right thing”. My view is he “fucked up” and is suffering the consequences. Nothing more nothing less.

My stance is he had no business posting that especially as a “representative” for Gibson/Mesa (whatever that means in terms of how he was compensated doesn’t matter).

 

[EOengineer]

The thread has gone from everyone suggesting fluffs statements had no credibility to now, he did a bad thing. The common theme seems to be people don’t like him for some reason.

This is an example of where binary thinking gets us into trouble. Things are rarely absolutely good or bad, simple as that would make things.

I appreciate Fluff leaking that info. Truth is important. Transparency is important. Because of this leak, we now have a better understanding of this small part of our reality. Nobody was really hurt. If Gibson wants to avoid public scrutiny for bad decisions, then perhaps they should stop making bad decisions and then attempting to obfuscate them.

Unfortunately, there’s another truth there, that Fluff has a public and professional relationship with them. Gibson is free to respond as they feel appropriate. They felt harmed, they severed the relationship.

I would have had more respect for Gibson if they came clean. They didn’t, they aren’t required to, and that’s business, unfortunately.

Both truths can exist simultaneously.

 

[[Nathan]]

Honestly I like Fluff and watched many of his Recto videos among others. But where you and I disagree is him “doing the right thing”. My view is he “fucked up” and is suffering the consequences. Nothing more nothing less.

My stance is he had no business posting that especially as a “representative” for Gibson/Mesa (whatever that means in terms of how he was compensated doesn’t matter).

When I saw him tell the story on his FAQ video I started looking into it all and ironically made my own video which I’ll link here in a sec when it’s live.

I’m less focused on what he did was that wrong or right, it is what it is and it’s done (and removed)… The situation is bad from all sides but at this point what does black listing him gain? I doubt they’ll work with him again but I’d be happy if they did at some point.

It can definitely be viewed from a bunch of lenses but if some bad shit went down at line6, fractal etc then I’d rather know the information than getting the marketing PR spin version. I guess I also see it from the point of view working with brands… Of course it’s business doing videos but there’s still an emotional input in making things and representing brands from his pov…. I can definitely see how he felt part of the betrayal and probably felt bad if he had to pretend it didn’t happen. He’s a fan at the end of the day as well.

 

[[Nathan]]