Question for bands using modeling

[GuitarBilly74]

It’s like mitigating 100% of the risk of a single person in the audience of a comedian being offended a wee bit. Your left with a series of dadjokes no one buys tickets for.

Pleasing both grandma sitting in front of the speaker with a hearingaid going nuts, as well as a crowd that is there for the music…not gonna happen. Trying stops complaints, but also people coming for the music.
Not that there is an easy solution…these days it’s hard to get people to come of the couch for live music..and venues better off advertising great cupcakes instead of love music.

Again, that was not the point... It doesn't sound like you understood the original question. Maybe I wasn't clear :

If you're saying you prefer to use amps and a drum kit, great. Me too.

The e-kit question was specifically for bands that are already using modeling.

 

[AFKAEjay(retired)]

The e-kit question was specifically for bands that are already using modeling.

I already respondent to that.
This post was a reply to someone else to assist derailing this thread

 

[Orvillain]

I'm the product owner for the software component of an electronic drumkit. I wouldn't use one live. That might sound ludicrous, but it just doesn't fit my musical aesthetic.

Where they are good: musical theatre, praise and worship, education.

 

[newholland]

I hear you. My band gear is a Marshall 100w 1/2 stack, a 400w bass rig with a 4x10 and an oversized Ludwig kit. I am not changing that anytime soon. Nor I am asking you or anyone to do that, that's not the point I was getting at. I am not arguing analog vs digital as a whole.

My question was why IF you choose to put part of the band on digital/DI, why not the drums?

no i know its beyond the OP and for your purposes of practice, youre saving miles of wear and tear on your ears - i totally get it. thats a great reasonin amd of itself to go quiet as possible.

one thing occurs to me though- if you dont dial in your big rig show gear practicing all the time- wouldnt that, in some important ways make it tough to really get dialed in for shows? i mean... not that at this point most folks have tons of formative experience doing that, but for a band its kinda a long evolution of really dialing in to me.. i guess at some point everyone knows the drill.

 

[newholland]

ima quit talking, cause im clearly not the target audience for this thread- sorry man!

 

[GuitarBilly74]

no i know its beyond the OP and for your purposes of practice, youre saving miles of wear and tear on your ears - i totally get it. thats a great reasonin amd of itself to go quiet as possible.

one thing occurs to me though- if you dont dial in your big rig show gear practicing all the time- wouldnt that, in some important ways make it tough to really get dialed in for shows? i mean... not that at this point most folks have tons of formative experience doing that, but for a band its kinda a long evolution of really dialing in to me.. i guess at some point everyone knows the drill.

We don't even use the e-kit for practice. We use it for recording only. We practice with the same gear we gig with.. Marshalls etc... but that's because I have enough space and cool neighbors to do that. So I guess it depends on the situation. It also depends how often you gig and how long you've been doing it. At the point I really don't need any time to dial in my rig. I know what I have to do.

If I couldn't practice at gig volumes and had a rig I wasn't entirely familiar with, I'd probably use the e-kit and some small amp for most practices, then go to a rehearsal studio on the last practice before a gig and do a "dress rehearsal" so to speak with the actual stage gear...

 

[paisleywookiee]

i actually used that having been yelled at for soundchecking during a bears game at the empty bottle

I’m a life long Bears disappointed fan. therefore I no longer follow them anyway.

 

[EOengineer]

I’m a life long Bears disappointed fan. therefore I no longer follow them anyway.

Cubs fan checking in…we bitching about shitty teams? Where do I sign in?

 

[iaresee]

The funny thing is our drummer uses triggers on his acoustic kit to re-enforce his kit sound in the mains.

 

[Alex Kenivel]

In my mind, when I'm at a show and see a guitarist build up his half stack and a drummer build up his kit, I get a little excited. "Oh shit, here it comes, I'm about to have my ass rocked off" - kind of feeling I get before I would see a band play. I don't get that feeling when I see a modeler and ekit setting up.

As a drummer myself, ekits are fun, cool, and I want a few of them. There have been plenty of times when I go to a jam and someone has one set up and I have a great time. Equally so, there are times that I reach the limitations of what an ekit can do dynamically and long for a real snare or a real ride cymbal.

Sorry this doesn't really answer the question in the OP.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Cubs fan checking in…we bitching about shitty teams? Where do I sign in?

I mean, that’s all Chicago teams at this point.

 

[unix-guy]

We are sticking with analog drums but we still have a silent stage. We just use baffles for the drums and it works very well.

That seems like distinctly not silent date stage :)

 

[GuitarBilly74]

I'm the product owner for the software component of an electronic drumkit. I wouldn't use one live. That might sound ludicrous, but it just doesn't fit my musical aesthetic.

Where they are good: musical theatre, praise and worship, education.

Interesting. What software is it?
And what do you mean it doesn't fit the musical aesthetic? Sonically? Visually? Vibes?

 

[unix-guy]

My band has been 100% direct for almost 10 years.

Mostly it comes down to the drummer and the kit/brain as to how well it works.

The Alesis Strike brain allows for 8 individual outputs. This is awesome for in ear and FOH mixing.

As far as subtle stuff, there can be challenges particularly with snare and hi hats.

The Strike snare is sensitive enough that you could probably play it with brushes.

The hi hats take dialing in.

The best we had was when the drummer added a Gen16 low volume cymbal set to the kit. Actual hi hats, ride and crashes but they have very low acoustic volume and built-in mics. They connect to a small module and then get sent to the mixer.

The drum sounds kits in the Strike brain are pretty great sounding - at least some of them.

Combined with our Fractal's and IEM rig, it makes for very consistent rehearsal and gigs.

 

[Orvillain]

Interesting. What software is it?
And what do you mean it doesn't fit the musical aesthetic? Sonically? Visually? Vibes?

Alesis Strata Prime and Strata Core. The internal brain is effectively the BFD engine; the Dark Farm sounds on the brain I recorded (as part of a two man team with my friend/colleague!)

A real drumkit just blooms in a way that sample-based virtual drums won't. That doesn't mean one or the other is better, they're just different. But aesthetically, modellers and e-kits just don't fit into my idea of what post-rock/post-metal/art-metal is all about.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Because unlike guitar modellers, for the most part, E-Drums won't pass an ABX test....though in many applications they certainly can. For the average bar band? Not so much

 

[GuitarBilly74]

A real drumkit just blooms in a way that sample-based virtual drums won't. That doesn't mean one or the other is better, they're just different. But aesthetically, modellers and e-kits just don't fit into my idea of what post-rock/post-metal/art-metal is all about.

Oh that's awesome!!! The module on my studio kit is Alesis Prime!

But yeah, I agree with you. This type of gear does not fit the aesthetic for my music as well. I do prefer analog instruments, both sonically and visually.

But I'd think someone who's already using modeling wouldn't have that same perspective.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

Because unlike guitar modellers, for the most part, E-Drums won't pass an ABX test....though in many applications they certainly can. For the average bar band? Not so much

What's an ABX test and why is it important?

 

[spawnofthesith]

Truthfully I’m surprised that pipeline of all people is saying e drums can’t pass an ABX test…..


Not that I necessarily disagree but still surprised…

 

[spawnofthesith]

What's an ABX test and why is it important?

Just an A/B + a blind