New Line 6 product speculation thread [disclosure: HX One]

[yeky83]

You need to make sure to tag Cliff when you say these things, so that he gets competitive and fixes them

Already done and best in the biz, nothing to fix, just gotta turn the knobs.

@paisleywookiee what reverbs are there in the HX that the Fractal doesn't do? Stuff like... Glitz? yuck

 

[timbuck3]

 

[Blix]

But I think H9 Max can do two effects at once now right?

Max just means it has all the algorithms, as in "maxed out" , a Max and Core is the exact same pedal.
There are some algorithms with more than one effect.

 

[laxu]

There was a higher level of disinterest from me. But I think H9 Max can do two effects at once now right? As usual I always figured why not just get a Stomp?

For me I’m interested in one of two paths:

1-everything integrated into one device
2-simple devices with physical knobs and no screens

Honestly I would have been kinda tempted if there were L6 versions of the UAD or Strymon pedals with half a dozen knobs and a couple switches.

H9 afaik can only do one "algorithm" as they call it. An algorithm can contain one or more effects, but you have no control over which ones. They are more like preset fx chains. H90 is basically 2x H9 in one box and can run two algorithms at the same time.

The Line6 HX One has easy access to many params without secondary function layers, MIDI etc. or can show preset values while still being mostly as easy to use as a typical UA or Strymon pedal. The caveat is not having dedicated knobs for params and only 3 at a time so you need to page around like on the HX Stomp. So win some, lose some.

Compared to the HX Effects, you don't have this issue where the params of the effect you want to edit are where the footswitch is (e.g bottom row) while the knobs are at the top. The screen, knobs and page buttons are close together on the HX One.

Compared to the HX Stomp, the button layout is more friendly, less movement between two areas (Stomp's knobs under screen and buttons on the right side) as you page left/right and turn the knobs. Not sure if the effect select button gets in the way, would have to try it myself. Hopefully bumping it doesn't change your effects type and it always requires a push first.

Since there's no amp/cab modeling, the 3 knobs layout is also much more acceptable. For most effect types it's not too cumbersome, whereas for amps it's annoying to have to page around just for your basic gain/master/T/M/B/presence needs since those are much more interactive.

If I look at my Strymon pedalboard, I know I'd hate it if I needed to adjust the Iridium with only 3 knobs at a time. 4 is an absolute minimum for an amp sim, 5-6 is good. By comparison for reverbs, delays, modulation, or drives usually 3 covers enough ground and the rest are not something you adjust regularly.

 

[Sascha Franck]

The caveat is not having dedicated knobs for params and only 3 at a time so you need to page around like on the HX Stomp.

That's an issue with all L6 devices apart from the Floor/LT/Rack.
But it's not only that they could offer more knobs (ok, the HX One possibly less so), the main issue I'm having with all of them is the parameter "sequence" layout. It just makes no sense and they missed the opportunity to address that on the HX One yet again.

Example #1: When dealing with a drive pedal, regardless of the overall amount of parameters exposed, once you're past the initial setup (which you usually do with plenty of time on your hands), I'd bet every amount of money that 90% of any finetunings involve gain and level (as obvious as it is: you usually need to compensate level when adjusting the gain and possibly vice versa, too). With each 3-knob-only HX family unit that requires page-flipping already.

Example #2: When dealing with reverbs and delays, regardless of the overall amount of parameters exposed, once you're past the initial setup (which you usually do with plenty of time on your hands), I'd bet almost every amount of money that 70% of any finetunings involve mix adjustments. Within the HX family, for pretty much all delays and reverbs (minus, say, the simple delay), "Mix" is parameter #5, hence not accessible on the first page of any 3-knob-only unit.

(The latter is as well true for all modulation units with a mix parameter, but it might not be as relevant here.)

IMVHO this is a major UI design oversight.
And regarding the HX One, as much as it's a major improvement over its predecessor M5 technically, this is a big step back as the M5 (the other M-series, too) exposed 5 parameters, mapped straight to 5 knobs, ready for instant access. One of *the* most appealing aspects of the M-series (and the very reason I was a pretty happy M13 user).

I've said so multiple times already, Zoom is getting that issue just right. Most important parameters can always be found on the first page. Why not adopt that? There's no plausible reasons (and for those prefering the current layouts: of course that should be made optionally).

 

[laxu]

That's an issue with all L6 devices apart from the Floor/LT/Rack.
But it's not only that they could offer more knobs (ok, the HX One possibly less so), the main issue I'm having with all of them is the parameter "sequence" layout. It just makes no sense and they missed the opportunity to address that on the HX One yet again.

Example #1: When dealing with a drive pedal, regardless of the overall amount of parameters exposed, once you're past the initial setup (which you usually do with plenty of time on your hands), I'd bet every amount of money that 90% of any finetunings involve gain and level (as obvious as it is: you usually need to compensate level when adjusting the gain and possibly vice versa, too). With each 3-knob-only HX family unit that requires page-flipping already.

Example #2: When dealing with reverbs and delays, regardless of the overall amount of parameters exposed, once you're past the initial setup (which you usually do with plenty of time on your hands), I'd bet almost every amount of money that 70% of any finetunings involve mix adjustments. Within the HX family, for pretty much all delays and reverbs (minus, say, the simple delay), "Mix" is parameter #5, hence not accessible on the first page of any 3-knob-only unit.

(The latter is as well true for all modulation units with a mix parameter, but it might not be as relevant here.)

IMVHO this is a major UI design oversight.
And regarding the HX One, as much as it's a major improvement over its predecessor M5 technically, this is a big step back as the M5 (the other M-series, too) exposed 5 parameters, mapped straight to 5 knobs, ready for instant access. One of *the* most appealing aspects of the M-series (and the very reason I was a pretty happy M13 user).

I've said so multiple times already, Zoom is getting that issue just right. Most important parameters can always be found on the first page. Why not adopt that? There's no plausible reasons (and for those prefering the current layouts: of course that should be made optionally).

Agree with everything here. I have only owned the Helix Floor and just tried the Stomp in a store and didn't remember this aspect.

I've even suggested to Fractal that e.g amps in the onboard UI should have gain-gain2-master-level on one row and treble-middle-bass-presence-depth on another, the idea being the same "commonly adjusted together parameters available without paging or row switching."

If I look at my Strymons as reference here, those all follow this sort of grouping principles, whether it's each "side" of a dual function pedal or just the parameter arrangement on single effect pedals.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Blink twice for HX HalfStomp incoming in same form factor

Stomp XS

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

so I guess it's better for everybody that I'll never be getting one.

Yes, because ownership has something to do with the degree to which you go on and on and on and on about UI problems...

 

[paisleywookiee]

 

[Sascha Franck]

Yes, because ownership has something to do with the degree to which you go on and on and on and on about UI problems...

Precisely, snarky boy.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Line 6 missed the mark here, you should be able to run all 260fx simultaneously, the UI should integrate with a brain chip that reads your thoughts, and it should be $9.99. Maybe then this wouldn't be such a flop. maybe.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Line 6 missed the mark here, you should be able to run all 260fx simultaneously, the UI should integrate with a brain chip that reads your thoughts, and it should be $9.99. Maybe then this wouldn't be such a flop. maybe.

Spending time at The Other Place, I see.

 

[Foxmeister]

Maybe then this wouldn't be such a flop. maybe.

As flops go, I reckon this one will be a *terrible* flop...

 

[Whizzinby]

Line 6 missed the mark here, you should be able to run all 260fx simultaneously, the UI should integrate with a brain chip that reads your thoughts, and it should be $9.99. Maybe then this wouldn't be such a flop. maybe.

Who is saying this will be a flop?

 

[paisleywookiee]

Who is saying this will be a flop?

I don't think anyone here, but people with similar intelligence to a tree stump at TGP are.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Already done and best in the biz, nothing to fix, just gotta turn the knobs.

@paisleywookiee what reverbs are there in the HX that the Fractal doesn't do? Stuff like... Glitz? yuck

Glitz, Ganymede, Searchlights. Delays like Euclidean, Heliosphere, Glitch, Tesselator. They might be able to be approximated in stuff like Plex Delay and such, but it's often a PITA to deal with.

 

[James Freeman]

I'm gonna wait till Joyo extracts the firmware and buy it for 20$ on Ali.

 

[Foxmeister]

I'm gonna wait till Joyo extracts the firmware and buy it for 20$ on Ali.

Wait too long, and you'll end up here..

 

[paisleywookiee]

I'm gonna wait till Joyo extracts the firmware and buy it for 20$ on Ali.

 

[Antipodes]

I'm gonna wait till Joyo extracts the firmware and buy it for 20$ on Ali.

That would be the patriotic thing to do.