NDSP Quad Cortex

[GTR37]

My assumption is that they need to migrate all the existing plugins to “X”, of which they have done 2, and that all new plugins will be X at release.

To me it’s likely that the architecture of the plugins wasn’t 100% aligned with the architecture of the cortex…ones you get both in 1 architecture…things should align a lot smoother, cause what you build on A, works on B

Well that’s a yes and no as well
Since they know that they need X plugins to be compatible one would assume that going fwd they would just do that from the start , but the recent Morgan plug in is NOT x compatible
So they are continuing to create plugins that will require rework to work.

 

[Lysander]

I wasn't paying attention at the time so I don't know the answer to this, but how was it advertised? Was it listed in a spec sheet on their web site for the product when it was released?

It was heavily advertised as one of the main QC features back then. NDSP plugins were already very popular.

 

[GTR37]

I think they will. It's in private beta now, AFAIK.

I would think so , that video that showed plug in compatible blocks working with Bea was recorded in early May
But I still won’t not rule out a last minute elegant announcement advising a small delay

Let’s see they have 5 days to make it , I am rooting for them as this would actually be the first time they have matched what they said and I think would be a very positive sign

 

[Orvillain]

I was expecting some kind of smoking gun of a broken promise like “it will be in the first release” or “It will be released in Q4 2021”. It’s taking a long time, but don’t all modelers advertise things they plan to add in the future?

Are you a lube salesman?

 

[Los-D]

a last minute elegant announcement

 

[DrewJD82]

The origin of plug-ins running on the QC happened at TGP when someone asked Doug if the QC would be able to run them, he replied back "Sure, that shouldn't be a problem" or something extremely similar and poof, a star is born.

 

[GTR37]

Or…the building of that plugin had started before deploying new architecture to the plugin side…and during a transitional phase they have some in the works that will need migration once their finished.

Maybe they need to train dev teams…idnk…but one new plugin that needs migration doesn’t seem a hard indicator that they will always need to migrate to x after initial release….doesnt make sense..

true, I would say I agree ,we will have to watch for the next plug in release which I would suspect is likely going to be sometime in July . perhaps around summer NAMM in Nashville which is less than a month away . if that comes out as X at launch then its obvious they have stopped driving the wrong way and turned around which would be bode well for future launches as they would only need to port blocks and not recreate them

 

[GTR37]

The origin of plug-ins running on the QC happened at TGP when someone asked Doug if the QC would be able to run them, he replied back "Sure, that shouldn't be a problem" or something extremely similar and poof, a star is born.

he also replied Amp models PFTTT , we can throw one full model in a weekend , full amp models in 24 hours
which should have translated to Amp models PFFT , we can remove 50% of them in a weekend , should not be a problem ..

but I digress , as much as they annoyed me , the editor IS very good with few bugs and if they make good on this one they are moving in the right direction

 

[LP59]

The origin of plug-ins running on the QC happened at TGP when someone asked Doug if the QC would be able to run them, he replied back "Sure, that shouldn't be a problem" or something extremely similar and poof, a star is born.

That sounds like just a comment about the difficulty of it. The faq comment only said they would add plugin support in the future. I’d be disappointed too if I bought a QC based on the hope they would add plugin support. They sure seem to be slow rolling out new features. But considering all the outcry, I was expecting it would be easy to find a link from 2021 to a broken promise they made of a date for plugin support, but I couldn’t find one.

 

[Orvillain]

That sounds like just a comment about the difficulty of it. The faq comment only said they would add plugin support in the future. I’d be disappointed too if I bought a QC based on the hope they would add plugin support. They sure seem to be slow rolling out new features. But considering all the outcry, I was expecting it would be easy to find a link from 2021 to a broken promise they made of a date for plugin support, but I couldn’t find one.

Factor in the year long pre-order phase, where they were generating sales based in part on that FAQ...

Entirely possible that without that FAQ, some people wouldn't have pre-ordered at all.

Using marketing to generate sales is all well and good. But once you say something like "we will support plugins" then by de facto that is a promise. And people are well within their rights to be pissed off that it has taken so long.

The best approach - and least cunty approach - is to just not promise anything at all. But NeuralDSP did the classic Devi Ever kickstarter approach of taking money through promises and then not delivering, and now they've got a reputation. Rightly so in my view.

 

[Lysander]

That sounds like just a comment about the difficulty of it. The faq comment only said they would add plugin support in the future.

Back when Doug Castro was still lurking TOP, he mentioned porting plugins as a "straightforward" process.

That was three years ago.

 

[mbenigni]

Back when Doug Castro was still lurking TOP, he mentioned porting plugins as a "straightforward" process.

That was three years ago.


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That reply is a half dozen red flags rolled into one. It’s like he’s hedging his bets by assuming the customer doesn’t know the difference between modeling an amp and approximating an amp with an existing model. Aren’t “it will be easy to do” and “it’s already being done” mutually exclusive?

It kind of suggests that he doesn’t believe or understand that the feature is necessary, which speaks to the urgency with which it’s been addressed.

 

[laxu]

Back when Doug Castro was still lurking TOP, he mentioned porting plugins as a "straightforward" process.

That was three years ago.


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Yeah a lot of that going around back then. This is a classic "CEO speaking out of his ass, then devs tell him that hey, this is actually way more complex than you think!"

I feel very vindicated by not going all in on the QC but selling it for what I paid, and playing the waiting game. Honestly I really wanted to love it too!

 

[LP59]

Back when Doug Castro was still lurking TOP, he mentioned porting plugins as a "straightforward" process.

That was three years ago.


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I wonder if he's right and after all the drama, porting the plugins will turn out to be a meh feature because you can already get those sounds in the QC

 

[Orvillain]

I feel very vindicated by not going all in on the QC but selling it for what I paid, and playing the waiting game. Honestly I really wanted to love it too!

Me too. Very glad I sold it to be honest. Probably one of the worst gear choices I've made throughout the years.

 

[texhex]

Sold mine for $2200 back in the glory days of hype. Bought a Helios 100 same day. Damn I miss that Official Original Quad Cortex Non-Owner Complainer Thread.

 

[GTR37]

Sold mine for $2200 back in the glory days of hype. Bought a Helios 100 same day. Damn I miss that Official Original Quad Cortex Non-Owner Complainer Thread.

Me too
The funniest one pre modeller wars was Whiz’s was the NDSP convention with an itinerary of events that day
I laughed for about an hour on that one

 

[GTR37]

I wonder if he's right and after all the drama, porting the plugins will turn out to be a meh feature because you can already get those sounds in the QC

Well , there is one amp they removed from the Cortex pre launch that many wanted to have and that’s the Mark 2c+
Since they did a Mesa approved plug-in it doubtful they will re add that model now
But that is one that hopefully they do the X version soon because it’s one amp they are missing

Most of the others you are right they are current models just slight tweaks
Gojira 5153 34 red
Tim Henson is the Matchless
Asato is the lone star
Rebea Kraken
Petrucci JP2C

So there will be a ton of crossover in the Archetypes
But things like the Mark, Cali
Natas don’t really have equivalents

 

[LCW]

I wonder if he's right and after all the drama, porting the plugins will turn out to be a meh feature because you can already get those sounds in the QC

Exactly - there’s this obsession with the plugins. I get it somewhat especially if you’re a fan of said artist. But any unique elements could have just been added to the QC as a stock model/effect. I’m sure most plug-in elements are replicable (?) right now on the QC. Just need a few more amp models and things like transpose and doubler. Maybe couple extra delays and reverbs if they are truly unique.

Of course with all that said… WHERE MY 3.0 AT?!?!??!?

 

[LCW]

Well , there is one amp they removed from the Cortex pre launch that many wanted to have and that’s the Mark 2c+
Since they did a Mesa approved plug-in it doubtful they will re add that model now
But that is one that hopefully they do the X version soon because it’s one amp they are missing

Most of the others you are right they are current models just slight tweaks
Gojira 5153 34 red
Tim Henson is the Matchless
Asato is the lone star
Rebea Kraken
Petrucci JP2C

So there will be a ton of crossover in the Archetypes
But things like the Mark, Cali
Natas don’t really have equivalents

As a big Metallica fan - especially old school - the Mark IIC+ model is the single most item I’m waiting to be loaded on the QC.

They have the JP2C but it’s just not the same.

And there’s a couple of factory IIC+ captures that are “OK” at best and of course with captures you can’t dial in like a real amp. You’re at the mercy of the captures settings with a bit of “fake” basic BMT controls that may or may not (more likely) react like the real thing.

And also would be geeked to get the Omega Granophyre onboard the QC as well.