NanOS 2.1.0 is now available
We’re excited to announce the release of NanOS 2.1.0. This update introduces several highly requested features.
The NDSP Nano Cortex…
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ian_dissonance
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I think this is gonna be their Goldilocks product.
paisleywookiee
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Agreed. This on a VoodooLab Tiny board with a Morningstar would be awesome for a tiny yet fully capable rig.
Lysander
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+100. Read a lot of people asking for this since the NC launched.
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They do plenty of great work. They just seem to have a bizarre disinterest in their own flagship product.
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paisleywookiee
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Yeah, the support for the NC makes it seem like it's from a different company than the QC.
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Wow, bypassing individual effects with MIDI puts this back in contention for me. I loved all the changes they added with 2.0... except for the latency when switching presets, but this solves that for my use case. Still leaning FM3 because I prefer modelling (and a self-contained "complete" unit) over captures (and the cloud), but either would suit my basic needs, and this is a lot cheaper...
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Ok, I've got basically three questions, as I might be sort of interested one day (not necessarily soon, but you never know what pops up on whatever classifieds). Could possibly get them answered from the manual, but with all the updates in place, I don't know whether I might be missing something:
- What's the patch switching gap like? Gapless? Reverb/delay trails?
- Can I add a pre-compressor, a post-EQ and a delay/verb to a patch and activate all of them with one footswitch?
- Can I toggle between just two patches using one footswitch?
- A fourth question, but possibly less important: Is it possible to use a switching EXP pedal (the EXP in is TRS...) and utilize it as a wah/(post)volume pedal in a single patch?
If I'd get one of these, the idea behind it would be to use it as the amp section on one of my boards and as a standalone thing for some quick'n'dirty (or minimal luggage traveling) gigs. My minimum requirements for the latter would be to use two sounds (basically clean and dirt), toggle between them with one switch and bring them to lead territory with the other switch.
This is basically how I'm using the HX Stomp now, but the form factor of the NC is appealing and I could even imagine combining the two (in series overall latency would be somewhat below 5ms which gets a *check* from me).
- What's the patch switching gap like? Gapless? Reverb/delay trails?
- Can I add a pre-compressor, a post-EQ and a delay/verb to a patch and activate all of them with one footswitch?
- Can I toggle between just two patches using one footswitch?
- A fourth question, but possibly less important: Is it possible to use a switching EXP pedal (the EXP in is TRS...) and utilize it as a wah/(post)volume pedal in a single patch?
If I'd get one of these, the idea behind it would be to use it as the amp section on one of my boards and as a standalone thing for some quick'n'dirty (or minimal luggage traveling) gigs. My minimum requirements for the latter would be to use two sounds (basically clean and dirt), toggle between them with one switch and bring them to lead territory with the other switch.
This is basically how I'm using the HX Stomp now, but the form factor of the NC is appealing and I could even imagine combining the two (in series overall latency would be somewhat below 5ms which gets a *check* from me).
synthpenguin
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Not an owner, but I've done a lot of research lately, so take with a grain of salt, but...
-preset switching is not gapless. There's a gap of about 60ms. It was gapless prior to 2.0, but they made the decision to trade that for changeable effect order. There is no gap in reverb or delay trails though.
-FX types are split into ones that can be pre-capture and ones that can be post-capture and IR, with some overlap, and, importantly, with a few FX options tied to specific slots (e.g. the pitch one can only be in the first slot, the reverb FX can only be in the last slot). There are two pre slots and three post slots. You can definitely do a pre-compressor, post EQ, post delay, and post reverb in the same patch, though the three post FX would be fixed in that order. There are more details on how this works here: https://neuraldsp.com/nano-cortex-updates/nanos-2-0-0-is-now-available
-Previously, you couldn't activate or deactivate FX at all without using patch changes, but it seems that now, with the new update, you'd be able to toggle them all together (or in whatever combo) WITH an external MIDI controller. You can not do this on the unit itself.
-The footswitches by default are each set to toggle between their two assigned patches, e.g. pushing footswitch 1 goes between patches A and B, and pushing footswitch 2 goes between patches C and D. The only other option is turning footswitch 2 into a bypass for the whole unit. So, you can switch between two patches with one footswitch, but you can't assign FX slots or anything like that to the second footswitch.
-I am not 100% sure on the expression pedal question, but my understanding is that, no, you can't do this. The TRS expression pedal options are actually pretty limited as far as connections (though the menu to set range, etc is pretty nice), and note that it uses the same input as MIDI, so it's one or the other. That said, it appears that with the new MIDI implementation, you'd be able to use a MIDI expression pedal and have more flexibility there.
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EDIT: imo the ideal use case for this pedal and gigging is using it primarily as an amp replacement. While it can do more, there are a lot of caveats, and the more you want to do with it, the more likely you're going to run into them. Though with the new MIDI functionality, there are a lot more possibilities when paired with a MIDI controller, and so far they've had great support for this product. Tap tempo is a big deal too (wild that it didn't have that before).
The other ideal use case is in the studio or at home, or basically anywhere where you don't mind being tied to the phone / tablet editor.
My basic needs are sort of similar to yours. All I need is amp, cab, reverb, and the ability to go between a few drive levels without a noticeable gap. A delay and stereo chorus would be great too, but I can handle the rest with external FX. With the 2.0 update, and before this recent update, the NC checked all of these boxes except for the drive level part, as there was no gapless way to change the gain level between fixed points (without using a variable expression pedal) or toggle a drive pedal slot.
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paisleywookiee
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I'll say it again, after this release, as well as the Mantra, I can't believe they've not done a capture player plugin. Seems like a no-brainer to expand their user base.
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synthpenguin
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Yeah, and it's brought up time and time again with the comparisons to Tonex. My guess is that they are worried it will eat into the sales of their other plugins. Even if those use modeling (and maybe sound better than the Neural captures, at least at times), it's a lot harder to sell an individual Mesa or Tone King plugin to the average player when they can get cheap or free captures of the same amps within the Neural ecosystem.
jellodog
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You may have a point there - what if they have another smaller dedicated outsourced office doing the NC updates?
paisleywookiee
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That's true, but it's that way already, but with their competitors.
synthpenguin
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Yeah, but maybe it's different when both competing products in this case would have the benefit of Neural's marketing and existing userbase / ecosystem. There are a lot of great amp plugins out there, but a lot of people are just going to default to using the Neural ones or, now, the UA ones, even when there are arguably better (and cheaper) options in some cases. That's part of why a Neural capture plugin would probably do well even with Tonex and NAM being things.
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