NDSP Quad Cortex

[Whizzinby]

I think for the trailer the robot is real, as in not an animation, and the amps are just plasticy mock-ups for the trailer. The Gojira especially looks like a sticker stuck over a box.

How are you liking the update?

 

[GTR37]

I have no reason to doubt that, it's a very valid engineering approach. Fractal also built their own robot to model DynaCabs.

I just don't see what this has to do with plugins being ported...

maybe it moves faster than a human , crap if they could get all X plugins out in 6 months that would be quite a feat

At Any rate , NDSP has finally done something so I am not going to pick on them at least this week

and when they do release the mini NANO cortex . I think I would be in line

 

[2dor]

I have no reason to doubt that, it's a very valid engineering approach. Fractal also built their own robot to model DynaCabs.

I just don't see what this has to do with plugins being ported...

I'm just speculating but if the porting proved to difficult but at the same time the TINA thing could build a neural net that's more resource efficient to run on the QC, then it would make sense to go down that path just for pushing stuff out there.

 

[2dor]

But....these are virtual knobs? How is a physical robot going to help?

There are tools that you can use to map amp sim dials to a physical pot. Stuff like the Behringer X Touch for instance; Softube also has some offerings as well etc.

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Map the pots of the amp sim to one of these DAW controllers, hook TINA up to it and it should be not much different to what they'd need to do to get TINA to "profile/model/capture" (whatever they call this nowdays) a real amp. At the end of the day, TINA twists knobs.

 

[mikah912]

I think for the trailer the robot is real, as in not an animation, and the amps are just plasticy mock-ups for the trailer. The Gojira especially looks like a sticker stuck over a box.

Right, but if the "amps" for these two plugins are physical, aren't they already in the QC? Gojira is a 5153. That's pretty much what they use. Plini is mostly Friedman. What is this thing twisting?

 

[Lysander]

I'm just speculating but if the porting proved to difficult but at the same time the TINA thing could build a neural net that's more resource efficient to run on the QC, then it would make sense to go down that path just for pushing stuff out there.

Even if you wanted to port plugins that way, you don't need a robot to control software. MIDI is right there.

 

[Jynx]

I have no reason to doubt that, it's a very valid engineering approach. Fractal also built their own robot to model DynaCabs.

I just don't see what this has to do with plugins being ported...

The trailer makes it sound like they modelled the plugins rather than ported them but if this is so then why the X versions? So many questions.

 

[GTR37]

I'm just speculating but if the porting proved to difficult but at the same time the TINA thing could build a neural net that's more resource efficient to run on the QC, then it would make sense to go down that path just for pushing stuff out there.

I feel like they maybe announced Tina early like 3 years ago when they said their AI could make an amp in a weekend, much like the software . Tina was probably only in the early stages

 

[mikah912]

There are tools that you can use to map amp sim dials to a physical pot. Stuff like the Behringer X Touch for instance; Softube also has some offerings as well etc.

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What about the effects? Or the presets?

 

[Jynx]

How are you liking the update?

Loving it. The amps are spot on.

I still can't figure out if there is a difference between pitch shift and transpose though. It does sound like the pitch-shifter is a tiny bit more warbly. But also, I never really noticed how good the pitch-shifter is in the first place.

 

[laxu]

They have a patent out for a robot that turns dials so that they can model amps faster.

I suspect since some of their older plugins were done differently, they must have leveraged TINA to twist dials in their older ampsims (Fortin Nameless, NTS maybe etc) to get the X versions out.

Yeah I assume they just have a virtual version that would do the same data collection for their plugins, probably by twisting knobs via MIDI. It's a novel solution to "How do we port this plugin to the QC and make it sound exactly the same?" They are really advertising it weird by having this 3D animation of it instead of showing the hw, then the software version.

Or maybe they really did just attach the robot to a physical MIDI knob controller because that was faster and cheaper to do.

I'm curious how their parameter mapping to machine learning model system works tho. While you can feed the model all the input data for "this is how it sounds at any possible parameter permutation", how do you map it so that it replicates the scenario based on how the user sets the virtual knobs in the amp model?

 

[2dor]

What about the effects? Or the presets?

Who knows... they're XML IIRC based so maybe those were easier?

 

[Whizzinby]

They talked about robot knob turners (kinky) years ago. I don’t think this is anything new to their process and just something they decided to drop in a promo. Though maybe Trina is an improvement over v1 Trisha, who didn’t turn the knobs fast enough…

 

[metropolis_4]

Started poking around wondering if it’s time to give the QC another shot, but I don’t know… I can’t even with this company

 

[Jynx]

If I hard pan the pitch-shift and transpose left and right I do hear them in each side rather than just becoming one for the most part. So there must be some difference.

 

[2dor]

Started poking around wondering if it’s time to give the QC another shot, but I don’t know… I can’t even with this company

Grab a unit to test, claim the free plugin & if you can't bond with the QC, return it; you'll still have a plugin to jive with on the PC

 

[Los-D]

I gotta be honest… after watching the latest CorOS 3.0 video from Rabea, I feel a certain amount of GAS rising in me.

 

[BenIfin]

They talked about robot knob turners years ago. I don’t think this is anything new to their process and just something they decided to drop in a promo. Though maybe Trina is an improvement over v1 Trisha, who didn’t turn the knobs fast enough…

Yep. Back in the early QC days when Doug was still on TOP .... he said a few times that the native QC Amps - not the plugins - were a mix of component modeling and "profiling" / "capturing".

The video is bizarre because the knobs being turned by TINA don't exist in real life but I suspect TINA is real (?) and that's how they are going to model all their QC native [not plugin] Amps.

So the question is two-fold

=> is this TINA machine "real" (?) or just a nice promo video mockup (?)

and if it is real

=> by their own words, this machine arrived "today" ... so all existing QC Native Amps were not done with TINA ... they were done differently / manually with a combination of component modeling and capturing and some ML ...... so it begs the question ...... are they now going to re-model all the existing QC Native Amps to make them done with TINA (?)

Because as they themselves have written:-

" .... TINA is the backbone of our robust and automated modeling pipeline, pushing the boundaries of model fidelity,” says Aleksi Peussa, Machine Learning Team Lead and Researcher at Neural DSP Technologies. “The collected data provides the ground-truth for the sound and feel of the device. No assumptions, no preferences, no limitations. Purely data. The vast amount of data along with advanced machine learning approaches can systematically push model accuracy to unparalleled levels of realism. Our goal is always to create models that are indistinguishable from the real thing, even by experts .... "

Ben

 

[2dor]

Yep. Back in the early QC days when Doug was still on TOP .... he said a few times that the native QC Amps - not the plugins - were a mix of component modeling and "profiling" / "capturing".

The video is bizarre because the knobs being turned by TINA don't exist in real life but I suspect TINA is real (?) and that's how they are going to model all their QC native [not plugin] Amps.

So the question is two-fold

=> is this TINA machine "real" (?) or just a nice promo video mockup (?)

and if it is real

=> by their own words, this machine arrived "today" ... so all existing QC Native Amps were not done with TINA ... they were done differently / manually with a combination of component modeling and capturing and some ML ...... so it begs the question ...... are they now going to re-model all the existing QC Native Amps to make them done with TINA (?)

Because as they themselves have written:-

" .... TINA is the backbone of our robust and automated modeling pipeline, pushing the boundaries of model fidelity,” says Aleksi Peussa, Machine Learning Team Lead and Researcher at Neural DSP Technologies. “The collected data provides the ground-truth for the sound and feel of the device. No assumptions, no preferences, no limitations. Purely data. The vast amount of data along with advanced machine learning approaches can systematically push model accuracy to unparalleled levels of realism. Our goal is always to create models that are indistinguishable from the real thing, even by experts .... "

Ben

TINA's real @Jynx got confirmation from NDSP in the Discord. But. I bet they have a software version of it too.

 

[BenIfin]

..... “We’re extremely proud to be one of the first companies to make native compatibility between guitar hardware and software a reality with CorOS 3.0.0,” concludes Dan Davies, Chief Marketing Officer at Neural DSP Technologies. “By utilizing TINA, our secret weapon, users experience an unparalleled level of sound authenticity throughout our product range. This development makes our software more capable than ever before, and we look forward to continuing to build on this framework.”

Ummm ... Helix Native several years ago (?) .... I guess he did say "one of " .

Ben