Sascha Franck
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And at launch (adding that just in case...).
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And at launch (adding that just in case...).
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They’re separate paths imo. Regardless of what people want they’ve said proxy is coming next year so that’ll be cool. A fully modelled amp is always going to be more useful than a single profile, but having endless profiles to browse and try out is its own barrel of fun. I don’t see proxy as a stand in, it’s just another thing to use. Incredibly hard to say x amount of amps is worth the entire proxy feature, because it’s endless. In the totality of the unit I think proxy will be awesome, and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the people who are against profiling for whatever reason end up stacking it in some of their presets.
Besides the obvious uses for profiles, people are using NAM and ToneX with models of poweramps so even pairing preamp pedals and other things with proxy will have its own unique uses that modelling won’t
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Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting an either/or scenario. Proxy is coming and I’m here for it. I’ve been pretty vocal about wanting a capture player in current gen Helix and have been using Tonex hardware and software since launch.
I’m moreso curious if Proxy will satiate people who are holding off on the platform because <some-amp> isn’t there.
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Add to this that you could also capture some outlier stuff that would very likely never see a component modeled version.
I once had an incredibly cheesy (made in GDR, in case anyone remembers...) Echolette solid state amp. Basically an utter POS, but there's been one or two kinda trashy sounds that I have never ever been able to recreate at all - and they sometimes just sounded marvelleous in a mix. Had I known about capturing tech when I finally trashed it, I'd possibly kept it until now.
Depending on how well Proxy (or any other capturing processes) will develop, you might even be able to come up with wild creations on your own. As an example: Run two amps in parallel, do a frequency split before hitting them, process the higher range with plenty of gain whereas keeping the lower split almost clean. No idea whether that'd be working already (I actually wanted to give that a try already), but it'd be something we likely won't ever see as a component modeled thing.
If the "big capture names" like Amalgam, Live Ready Sound, Sonic Drive Studio and Tone Junkies are unleashing content for Proxy, it most certainly should.
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Random shower thought this morning - Will Agoura bring L6 neck and neck with Fractal’s current gen offerings, or is it pushing ahead into something truly next gen on the modeling front?
Really only L6 knows but I can’t wait to find out.
Really only L6 knows but I can’t wait to find out.
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Oh they will ….since Line6 already has market place so it should be easy there
Digital Igloo has said that we should know a lot more of what’s happening and coming around NAMM in January
And it’s likely Stadium will have already seen updates prior to that
He also mentioned somewhere the next list of Agoura amps is already chosen and there will be a new one that’s never been in a Line6 product to date
They almost released it but wanted to stick to the 16 at launch so it likely already well under development
Going to answer a hard "hell naw!" because public/brand perception is HARD to change (I do B2B marketing for a living).
I don't think that's Line 6's goal anyway. Fractal diehards are unreachable. Who is NOT unreachable are the people who've eschewed modeling altogether because "it sounds digital" or "it's too complicated" compared to analog. That's what this platform will ultimately target over the next 10+ years.
That rising tide will hopefully lift all boats in this space.
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It absolutely will, for both amps and effects that are still missing when Proxy launches.
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Did anyone hear it mentioned if OG Helix Favorites and Setlists can be transferred to Stadium?
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Haven't heard about Favorites, but importing OG Helix presets will be possible. I guess importin a full setlist will be addressed, as otherwise it would be hell importing one by one.
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The Vetta amps had a global reverb knob that would scale any given preset's reverb block wetter or drier. Only applicable for this one effect, but it was a good idea.
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I'm wondering whether the Matrix view (mixer) will function globally and perhaps be effective here (which is why I brought up @Sascha Franck when I first read about it.)
But I like you're advice. I used to set up the tone knob on my GK-ready guitars to do exactly this (reverb mix, delay mix and feedback). I think Sascha has a whole laundry list of other parameters in mind, though.
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Same with Boss' GT units, in fact since ages already. They also have a global noise gate threshold and the programmed values are relative to that.
Obviously, that also works because there's always only 1 reverb and 2 gates, so it's easy to grasp.
But it also comes with some limitations. Not so much for the gate but for the reverb. In some patches, I may just want the full enchilada, regardless of the global setting - which I might have turned down already. Which is why I'm not making use of that feature anymore ever since the GT-1000 but have most reverbs set to global (or not, depending on the patch type).
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It would be cool if there was something like an "auto-leveller/balancing" function that you could run across a group of presets to ensure equal volumes...
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Maybe, but I'd temper expectations around capturing. You're not going to get an amp that's missing. You're going to get a snapshot in time that kinda sounds like an amp at certain settings but responds in the way that the underlying model has been built. It will be a quick way to get a particular sound that's close enough for some and not good enough for others.
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True.
Really, as said before, what I wish for is things to work pretty much exactly like a giant loopswitcher based setup (think Bradshaw and what not), just more flexible (as nothing would be cast in stone).
There's really so much things this would allow for.
Want to deactivate the cab sim globally because you need to run through a rental amp's return? If you had them set to be global blocks, it'd be a 2-3 click affair.
Singer's got a sore throat inmidst of a tour, so you need to play some tunes, say, transposed down -1 (and this is right out of my personal history, we had to tune down all our stuff for some days)? Just do so with the poly pitch block you've added in advance. Sure, would require some pre-planning, but you could then decide to play in the OG tuning or lower at any time. I know, it's not feasible on the OG HX line because poly pitch is too CPU expensive in many cases, but you get the idea.
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Defenitely!
I think I even posted something like that on Ideascale quite a while back.
Not sure whether auto-balancing would really be possible (quite a difficult thing to please anyone), but my proposal was to have a kinda setlist thing which would allow you to slap an additional "overall output" parameter on top of things, so you could check and balance your levels within that very setlist - but without ever editing the actual patches and resaving them. Just scroll through your patch list and quickly adjust the output, that setting would then not require any saving but would be autosaved with the setlist.
