Line 6 Helix Stadium

Karl Houseknecht said:
Maybe, but I'd temper expectations around capturing. You're not going to get an amp that's missing. You're going to get a snapshot in time that kinda sounds like an amp at certain settings but responds in the way that the underlying model has been built. It will be a quick way to get a particular sound that's close enough for some and not good enough for others.
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Yeah those limitations are important and why I'm hesitant to assume Proxy would fill that amp gap. I'm usually able to make static captures work for me but it's a somewhat divisive technology for some of us.
 
ccc118 said:
A lot of Fractal users have been asking for one for a long time. One issue is that despite having so many Plexis, they're all lead spec and are relatively similar. It could probably stand to just have one 100w and one 50w and it would be good enough. The Helix actually has a better variety. The Brit Trem model is supposed to be very similar to a JTM50. Hopefully there will be an Agoura version of that at some point.
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That really isn’t accurate. The fractal has more Marshall style amp variety by a pretty wide stretch. The only material gap in their lineup from a classic amps perspective is the super bass.

Important disclaimer, I’ve never had the opportunity to play a super bass. I’ve just always wanted to and would like to see them done well in modelers. Cool that they put one in Stadium. I’ll probably have to try stadium now just to try the super bass lol.

D
 
dk_ace said:
That really isn’t accurate. The fractal has more Marshall style amp variety by a pretty wide stretch. The only material gap in their lineup from a classic amps perspective is the super bass.
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Fractal is kind of synonymous with amazing Marshall models. I just assumed they had like 5 superbass models. :rofl

dk_ace said:
Important disclaimer, I’ve never had the opportunity to play a super bass. I’ve just always wanted to and would like to see them done well in modelers. Cool that they put one in Stadium. I’ll probably have to try stadium now just to try the super bass lol.

D
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FWIW I have a 1959 clone that started life as a Superbass. Both are really cool, I sometimes feel like we overstate the differences between them.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Want to deactivate the cab sim globally because you need to run through a rental amp's return? If you had them set to be global blocks, it'd be a 2-3 click affair.
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The-modeler-that-shall-not-be-named (which I've too often named in this thread already) actually has a pretty effective way of dealing with this, with a little matrix of checkboxes in the Globals section.

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And I expect Stadium's Matrix will be effective for this sort of thing, provided you've built your templates/presets with your eventual needs in mind.
 
dk_ace said:
That really isn’t accurate. The fractal has more Marshall style amp variety by a pretty wide stretch. The only material gap in their lineup from a classic amps perspective is the super bass.

Important disclaimer, I’ve never had the opportunity to play a super bass. I’ve just always wanted to and would like to see them done well in modelers. Cool that they put one in Stadium. I’ll probably have to try stadium now just to try the super bass lol.

D
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Yes and no. Fractal is miles beyond pretty much anybody with "modern" Marshalls - your Jose mods, #34, boutique variants like Splawn, Cornford, Cameron, Friedman BE-100 iterations, Satch and non-Satch versions of the JVM410, etc. Always will be. I don't see Line 6 or anyone else trying to dedicate that much modeling real estate to that.

If you're looking for a more historical focus with Park amps or Bluesbreakers or whatnot, then Fractal is just like anybody else.

Ultimately, I believe Line 6 will add 3 or 4 more of these types in the Agoura era. If @Digital Igloo is looking to go where Fractal and everybody else has not tread, I'd suggest starting with Headfirst Amplifiction Alta, and maybe the Victory Super Sheriff 100. Heck, get the Bogner Snorkler in there too to complement the Ecstasy, Shiva and Uberschall.

I've already told him the first "Agoura Original" should be their own in-house version of this. Start with a Plexi circuit, add a tweakable and movable clipping diode where you can put it in several places within the topology (e.g. in the tonestack or with the PI or with V1/V2 or wherever), add tweakable negative feedback for the girth.
 
mbenigni said:
The-modeler-that-shall-not-be-named (which I've too often named in this thread already) actually has a pretty effective way of dealing with this, with a little matrix of checkboxes in the Globals section.

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And I expect Stadium's Matrix will be effective for this sort of thing, provided you've built your templates/presets with your eventual needs in mind.
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IIRC Tonex also has a master IR defeat of some sort. It’s in the hardware’s menu somewhere and has been useful on a few occasions here.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Didn't know that. Quite decent. But then, Boss had this as well since decades.
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EOengineer said:
IIRC Tonex also has a master IR defeat of some sort. It’s in the hardware’s menu somewhere and has been useful on a few occasions here.
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What's unique (or OMG elegant) about the implementation in The-Modeler-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named, is that you can have complex routing set up to suit one application (e.g. studio), and then use the individual lane settings to conditionally re-purpose each of them for another application (e.g. live), without changing any of your presets.
 
mbenigni said:
What's unique (or OMG elegant) about the implementation in The-Modeler-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named, is that you can have complex routing set up to suit one application (e.g. studio), and then use the individual lane settings to conditionally re-purpose each of them for another application (e.g. live), without changing any of your presets.
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Yeah that is a great feature and one I have seriously hoped would be added to Tonex so I could split to FOH and poweramp/cab.
 
dk_ace said:
That really isn’t accurate. The fractal has more Marshall style amp variety by a pretty wide stretch. The only material gap in their lineup from a classic amps perspective is the super bass.

Important disclaimer, I’ve never had the opportunity to play a super bass. I’ve just always wanted to and would like to see them done well in modelers. Cool that they put one in Stadium. I’ll probably have to try stadium now just to try the super bass lol.

D
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I'm only talking about the Plexis. I know Fractal has more of the other Marshall types. All the Plexi models in the Fractal are lead spec and they all have quite a lot of gain. I'd rather have a few less aggressive ones mixed in. In addition to the bass spec amps, many of the early tremolo amps were shared cathode and had a smaller bright cap, which is basically what the Brit Trem model is. There isn't really anything in the Fractal that gets that type of sound.
 
GTR37 said:
Oh they will ….since Line6 already has market place so it should be easy there

Digital Igloo has said that we should know a lot more of what’s happening and coming around NAMM in January
And it’s likely Stadium will have already seen updates prior to that

He also mentioned somewhere the next list of Agoura amps is already chosen and there will be a new one that’s never been in a Line6 product to date
They almost released it but wanted to stick to the 16 at launch so it likely already well under development
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I'm still saying "If" because I don't know what the terms are of vendors selling on the Line 6 Marketplace, and if they're favorable to these guys joining.

For example, I thought it would be a slam dunk for @GuitarJon AKA Sonic Drive Studio to sell presets and his homemade IRs there once he disassociated with Ownhammer and York Audio. But he only sells them through his Gumroad store.

Live Ready Sound already has a bunch of stuff there, but these other guys I listed don't - which is to be expected since they mainly just sell profiles.

We'll see.
 
mbenigni said:
What's unique (or OMG elegant) about the implementation in The-Modeler-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named, is that you can have complex routing set up to suit one application (e.g. studio), and then use the individual lane settings to conditionally re-purpose each of them for another application (e.g. live), without changing any of your presets.
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Which one is the modeler that shall not be named and why? 😅 I've seen QC, Fractal, GT1000, Kemper, etc named here.
 
EOengineer said:
Fractal is kind of synonymous with amazing Marshall models. I just assumed they had like 5 superbass models. :rofl


FWIW I have a 1959 clone that started life as a Superbass. Both are really cool, I sometimes feel like we overstate the differences between them.
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On records, I can’t pick out a super bass from a super lead. I still want to play with a super bass model :cool:

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