Waiting For Helix Stadium?

By the time it drops I’ll have the money saved up to get one. …
My plan was to basically sell everything the Helix Stadium would realistically replace to fund it.

The stuff I had for sale went really quickly and I met the goal in just over 2 weeks. Now I’ve got the money and I’m waiting. And waiting.
 
Thanks. I was going off of this article.
Ah, you're right; I didn't click the disclose triangle on LinkedIn. Max definitely left Line 6 in 2014 tho'.
 
My plan was to basically sell everything the Helix Stadium would realistically replace to fund it.

The stuff I had for sale went really quickly and I met the goal in just over 2 weeks. Now I’ve got the money and I’m waiting. And waiting.
Yeah I've already paid mine off at SW so it's nice to just be waiting for a new piece of gear 😂
 
Ah, you're right; I didn't click the disclose triangle on LinkedIn. Max definitely left Line 6 in 2014 tho'.
You’ve said before that someone has climbed the ranks in the musical instrument industry by overstating their contribution to Helix (iirc). Is that person in these comments with us right now?

:sofa
 
Ah, you're right; I didn't click the disclose triangle on LinkedIn. Max definitely left Line 6 in 2014 tho'.

It’s just my paranoia in full effect. :getmycoat

I hope the Stadium does very well for you guys. It has all the makings of a great product. And the SIC in the right place...
 
With the announcement excitement dying down I'm pretty okay with not having a pre-order and waiting until next year. I'm sure when people start getting them in hand I'll get some FOMO. I remember Helix was a bit underwhelming when I first tried it and after a couple updates it got to be amazing.
 
Certain types of people welcome the complexity, and in some ways... it's THE signal to them that this is a "serious" or "professional" product. Same for the way you can only buy it through direct sales ... I just don't think it has to be a binary choice between professional quality and approachable usability.

You've actually captured a couple of things that have become increasingly obvious to me at least in recent times

I.m.h.o ...

Re: the ^first^ point - true - this was a major somewhat subtle selling "point" [myth] for Fractal up until the last few years ... but as the Digital market has grown and expanded exponentially across multiple quality makers from $400 and up, and as Digital users have gotten so much more educated and discerning and have noticed and heard for themselves the lack of actual sonic and feel differences between the top tier stuff, this kind of thinking just doesn't work or fly with most people anymore - its now actually putting more and more people off.

Re: the ^second^ point .... you've hit the nail on the head.

If you asked D.I and the whole Stadium team, this would probably summarize their number one goal for their Stadium Project to-do list - maximum features, best UI and user-operability and equal-if-not-class-leading modeling which is up-front designed for a very long [~10 year] run life-span - and all to be rolled out over several product levels and price points.

In this Digital Space, L6 / YGG are the only company I cant think of that has the expertise, history, global footprint and associated resources to pull this off.

This is not in any way a slag at Fractal ... but they simply cannot release a product which will have a ~10 year life-cycle ...... because of their relative minnow size, they need hardware revisions to keep sales rolling ... yes, their direct selling gives them total control and wipes out the middle-man [to some degree] so it does increase relative profit per box ... but it can never generate the economies of scale and revenue streams to build and design a product like a Stadium .... deliver it at its price point ... and have it available in virtually every brick and mortar and online store in the world.

Just because you are small and good and focused does guarantee you are the "best". Just because you are big and good and focused does not guarantee you are "less-best". These views/statements are redundant.

In the Digital Space ... I don't think anything is ever going to eclipse the impact and ground breaking nature of the Original Red Bean.

The OG Helix then took it to another level. And the Stomp is just a stone-cold modern day classic. Even today, Fractal, Kemper, QC, Boss etc... must look at the Stomp and say to themselves "how the f*ck did they pull that off"

I do feel however that Stadium is going to be a much more significant product by a good degree, than even the OG Helix was.

Just my 3c worth.
 
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You've actually captured a couple of things that have become increasingly obvious to me at least in recent times

I.m.h.o ...

Re: the ^first^ point - true - this was a major somewhat subtle selling "point" [myth] for Fractal up until the last few years ... but as the Digital market has grown and expanded exponentially across multiple quality makers from $400 and up, and as Digital users have gotten so much more educated and discerning and have noticed and heard for themselves the lack of actual sonic and feel differences between the top tier stuff, this kind of thinking just doesn't work or fly with most people anymore - its now actually putting more and more people off.

Re: the ^second^ point .... you've hit the nail on the head.

If you asked D.I and the whole Stadium team, this would probably summarize their number one goal for their Stadium Project to-do list - maximum features, best UI and user-operability and equal-if-not-class-leading modeling which is up-front designed for a very long [~10 year] run life-span - and all to be rolled out over several product levels and price points.

In this Digital Space, L6 / YGG are the only company I cant think of that has the expertise, history, global footprint and associated resources to pull this off.

This is not in any way a slag at Fractal ... but they simply cannot release a product which will have a ~10 year life-cycle ...... because of their relative minnow size, they need hardware revisions to keep sales rolling ... yes, their direct selling gives them total control and wipes out the middle-man [to some degree] so it does increase relative profit per box ... but it can never generate the economies of scale and revenue streams to build and design a product like a Stadium .... deliver it at its price point ... and have it available in virtually every brick and mortar and online store in the world.

Just because you are small and good and focused does guarantee you are the "best". Just because you are big and good and focused does not guarantee you are "less-best". These views/statements are redundant.

In the Digital Space ... I don't think anything is ever going to eclipse the impact and ground breaking nature of the Original Red Bean.

The OG Helix then took it to another level. And the Stomp is just a stone-cold modern day classic. Even today, Fractal, Kemper, QC, Boss etc... must look at the Stomp and say to themselves "how the f*ck did they pull that off"

I do feel however that Stadium is going to be a much more significant product by a good degree, than even the OG Helix was.

Just my 3c worth.
Actually Fractal is the leader and in keep boxes alive prior to helix IMO
Axe fx 2 was like 6 or 7 years
And there have been major improvements where they could have just made a whole new product
I don’t really count XL or Turbos as new product sometimes it just a pivot as I they got better parts due to others being discontinued
But on average a Fractal product will go through 5 or six major engine revisions
2026 which will mark the 7th year of Axe 3
Line6 with Helix at 10 years is sort of an anomaly
 
Actually Fractal is the leader and in keep boxes alive prior to helix IMO
Axe fx 2 was like 6 or 7 years
And there have been major improvements where they could have just made a whole new product
I don’t really count XL or Turbos as new product sometimes it just a pivot as I they got better parts due to others being discontinued
But on average a Fractal product will go through 5 or six major engine revisions
2026 which will mark the 7th year of Axe 3
Line6 with Helix at 10 years is sort of an anomaly

Gonna have to agree to disagree :)

Whatever the reason is irrelevant - the Fractal MK1 / MK2 / Turbo revisions all resulted in "new boxes" - all of which helped to keep the $$ coming in to Fractal - and there's %100 less than zero wrong with that :)

OG Helix Floor / XL / Stomp are still live and going and are still going to be updated after Stadium is released - D.I has also confirmed this.

Also, in an interview which was done 5 months ago, D.I explained that there have been multiple / numerous new Engines for Helix since release, with the newest engine being only 18 months or so ago ... and as D.I has also said many times in the past, their strategy is to deliberately not announce or be specific about it - it just gets done and released.

Fractal on the other hand make "Biblical level" pronouncements ;) about new Engine updates because being so small, they have to pull this lever - and again - there's also %100 less than zero wrong about their strategy.
 
Gonna have to agree to disagree :)

Whatever the reason is irrelevant - the Fractal MK1 / MK2 / Turbo revisions all resulted in "new boxes" - all of which helped to keep the $$ coming in to Fractal - and there's %100 less than zero wrong with that :)
I mean we launched POD HD500X and HD Pro X a few years after HD500 and HD Pro. Technically they were new boxes, but even we don't consider them a new family or anything. In fact, the only reasons we never made a faster Helix+ are:
  • We'd also kinda be on the hook for a Rack+ and LT+. And maybe an FX+, Stomp+, and Stomp XL+
  • Firmware updates would've been appreciably slower because we'd have to run regression tests on twice the SKUs
  • It would've pushed Stadium back by... probably 18-24 months?
 
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Fractal on the other hand make "Biblical level" pronouncements ;) about new Engine updates because being so small, they have to pull this lever - and again - there's also %100 less than zero wrong about their strategy.
Huh? Do you mean the "next generation" game boy comment thing? How is that "again and again" ?
 
Huh? Do you mean the "next generation" game boy comment thing? How is that "again and again" ?

Track any major Fractal new Engine FW release of the last several years and it will be immediately obvious ;) - its really just a gag - %90 humorous / %10 fact <- these are scientifically verifiable figures b.t.w

I think he means he likes the smell of his own farts.

So you're saying there is a problem with this ? They are very pure, aromatic and emitted in a very controlled, delicate and silent manner ... and those surrounding me always comment on the fresh fruity aroma ;)
 
Track any major Fractal new Engine FW release of the last several years and it will be immediately obvious ;) - its really just a gag - %90 humorous / %10 fact <- these are scientifically verifiable figures b.t.w



So you're saying there is a problem with this ? They are very pure, aromatic and emitted in a very controlled, delicate and silent manner ... and those surrounding me always comment on the fresh fruity aroma ;)
John Witherspoon Bathroom GIF
 
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