IK TONEX CAB

[mercifulfuzziness]

You're listening straigt to the speaker/cab yourself instead of having a mic doing so. Add to this different directivity and hence reflection patterns.

With my teacher we have a tube amp. It's always on super low volumes. Its probably a mind fuck but it does feel different than with the Stomp + JBLs.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Its probably a mind fuck but it does feel different than with the Stomp + JBLs.

It's no mind fuck but it *does* sound different. Possibly even very noticeably so.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

It's no mind fuck but it *does* sound different. Possibly even very noticeably so.

yeah, that is what I mean. Feel makes it a bit whishy washy again.. But it's a 12 inch speaker, so that much just sound different than a 12 inch speaker through a 5 inch speaker. The Yamaha THR10ii in the living room has two times 3 inch. Maybe that's also why I don't hear that much difference in quality with those 2.

 

[Desertdweller]

People don’t want to carry around heavy amps and speakers anymore. Let’s make devices that model the amps and can be played quieter. But.. and hear me out… what if we did that but then used heavy amps and speakers?

GENIUS!

 

[Sascha Franck]

People don’t want to carry around heavy amps and speakers anymore. Let’s make devices that model the amps and can be played quieter. But.. and hear me out… what if we did that but then used heavy amps and speakers?

GENIUS!

You think this is a heavy device?

 

[Desertdweller]

You think this is a heavy device?

Nah, I just feel it’s jumping the shark. Not my type of device at all.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Nah, I just feel it’s jumping the shark. Not my type of device at all.

It's a lot easier to carry a Laney LFR and my FM9, than it was to carry a 50w tube head, cab, and pedalboard.

 

[DrewJD82]

I still have a good decade worth’s of “I don’t mind lugging all this shit around to play a gig” in me, I’m gonna take advantage of that. Hopefully by the time it’s all spent there’s a 1x12 that sounds and feels like a 4x12 and weighs less than a bag of sugar.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Which ones? The only monitors that receive glowing reviews around here are QSC and Yamahas that cost $800.

I would say the Turbosound, its cheaper and concentric, not same ole same ole divorced speakers. 122M-AN

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

I still have a good decade worth’s of “I don’t mind lugging all this shit around to play a gig” in me, I’m gonna take advantage of that. Hopefully by the time it’s all spent there’s a 1x12 that sounds and feels like a 4x12 and weighs less than a bag of sugar.

Okay but you are also probably at the age “did I just pull my back by picking something out of the dishwasher?”

 

[Mikael Dez]

Okay but you are also probably at the age “did I just pull my back by picking something out of the dishwasher?”

I pulled my back wiping my ass last week - getting older sucks

 

[paisleywookiee]

I pulled my back wiping my ass last week - getting older sucks

 

[jay mitchell]

Here's a copy/paste of my post on TOP:

IK are expanding and getting better and better. Who else innovates this much in this market space?

This is anything but innovation. It's been done by at least one more experienced player. It does come with Fender-knockoff kickstands. Is that what you mean by "innovation?"

FYI, their claimed maximum SPL is some marketing guy's wet dream. It won't get within 12dB of that figure. Here's some more of their drivel:

"Thanks to its unique DSP algorithms, TONEX Cab’s exclusive AMP TONE control stands apart from any other "FRFR" in the market today, allowing players to dial in the perfect amount of real amp feel and response to any room or venue."

Wow, why didn't anyone else think of providing an AMP TONE control in their monitor?

If you can make a guitar cab with a tweeter added sound like a different guitar cab - I'm gonna say you really can't - then you can do the same thing much better and easier with a neutral full range monitor. FYI, "real cab mojo" isn't a thing.

 

[jay mitchell]

Another copy/paste:

To be fair, Peter did basically say it would reach that, but would not sustain it without damaging something.

Even that is a fantasy for a small two-way system. The most overpriced pro audio two-way 1x12 monitors won't sustain more than 120dBSPL continuously.

I am sure if you ran a hot enough signal into it with the volume maxed you could get close...

Nope. Nowhere close. The input signal strength and gain settings have nothing to do with maximum SPL capability. That's down to transducer efficiency, maximum power handling, and available power. Here are some real-world numbers for reference: a high-sensitivity 12" cone transducer will produce 98dB at one meter with a one watt input. Let's be generous and assume the woofer sensitivity lies in this range. At a playing distance of two meters, that one watt will produce 92dBSPL. You need another 40 decibels above one watt to get to 132dBSPL. That means you'd have to apply 10,000 watts to the speaker. If the woofer sensitivity is less than 98dB/1W/1M, you'd need even more power. No matter how gullible, nobody is going to buy that 1) the amp(s) can produce 10kW or that 2) the transducers can take even a fraction of that.

Edit: If you use the one-meter distance in your max SPL claim, you'd only need 2500 watts to get there. Any guesses as to whether the amp(s) can provide that much power or the transducers can take it?

 

[jay mitchell]

A third:

Let's lay out what you get with this thing.

<snippage>
350w RMS poweramp

Leaving aside the misuse of "RMS" - there's no such thing as "RMS power," although most of the industry ignores that fact - let's assume that the 350-watt figure represents continuous sine wave power, a very generous assumption for Class D power ratings. The amp can then provide 25 decibels above 1 watt. If the speaker's sensitivity is 98dB/1W/1M, the speaker could produce, at most, 123dB at 1 meter, 117dB at 2 meters, assuming that the transducers can take that much power and, just as importantly, that they are linear with that much power applied. A 350-watt sine wave contains instantaneous peaks of 750 watts, i.e., 3dB greater than the continuous level. Best-case, the speaker can produce 123dB continuous with peaks of 126 dB at 1 meter. That is a really, really long way from 132dBSPL, and it is extremely optimistic. I'll go out on a limb here and assert that the speaker is capable of less than 120dB continuous, 123 dB peak at 1 meter. The fact that somebody managed to make a meter read higher numbers - assuming that that has ever happened - won't change the underlying limitations of the format and the available power.

 

[jay mitchell]

A fourth:

Yes, it is literally what peak means but everybody is entitled to their opinion.

This is not by any means a matter of "opinion," a term that marketers are fond of using when they don't have actual facts on their side. Numbers are numbers. SPL has a well-defined meaning, and the speaker in question will not come close to producing 132dBSPL, even for instantaneous peaks. FYI, instantaneous peaks won't register on a sound level meter even when it's set to "peak."

 

[banned]

Although my guitar amps are gone, my guitar cabs aren't going anywhere.

None of the FRFRs that I've played come close. It's a different sound.

We have to wait for a different approach....which involves modeling with multiple flat response mics in a anechoic chamber or a binaural mic approach or something.

 

[banned]

Although my guitar amps are gone, my guitar cabs aren't going anywhere.

None of the FRFRs that I've played come close. It's a different sound.

We have to wait for a different approach....which involves modeling with multiple flat response mics in a anechoic chamber or a binaural mic approach or something.

Jay I'm not an expert so please don't shoot me down - I may have said some things in error.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Jay I'm not an expert so please don't shoot me down - I may have said some things in error.

 

[TubeStack]

I keep thinking @mercifulfuzziness is Greg Ferguson, with the new avatar.