IK TONEX CAB

[laxu]

Judging by Henning’s video, due to the way the EQ works, and is programmable, it doesn’t seem like you can bypass the DSP, even without using the IR functionality. Weak sauce.

That doesn't necessarily mean it's all DSP, but is likely. Digital control over analog stuff is a thing.

 

[OrganicZed]

$799 is not particularly cheap. These will need to be very good to compete at that price.

 

[Frodebro]

$799 is not particularly cheap. These will need to be very good to compete at that price.

It’s cheaper than the Laney and Friedman cabinets, so that puts it solidly in the middle of the pack.

 

[pipelineaudio]

It’s cheaper than the Laney and Friedman cabinets, so that puts it solidly in the middle of the pack.

But its more than far better wedge monitors.

 

[Frodebro]

But its more than far better wedge monitors.

There’s three YouTube sneak peek videos out so far, nobody else has even touched one in person.

 

[paisleywookiee]

That doesn't necessarily mean it's all DSP, but is likely. Digital control over analog stuff is a thing.

True. That’d be great if that’s the case.

It’s cheaper than the Laney and Friedman cabinets, so that puts it solidly in the middle of the pack.

I mean, it’s $20 cheaper than the Laney. Yippee.

 

[Stone]

I agree the Price is much more than the Fender which seems to be a clone except for a few differences

 

[Frodebro]

True. That’d be great if that’s the case.

I mean, it’s $20 cheaper than the Laney. Yippee.

I thought the Laney was in the same ballpark as the Friedman the last time I checked, but that could have been one of those days when I had my meds all mixed up.

 

[pipelineaudio]

There’s three YouTube sneak peek videos out so far, nobody else has even touched one in person.

From the pics we've seen it looks like another separate tweeter and woofer

 

[Stone]

From the pics we've seen it looks like another separate tweeter and woofer

it is

 

[Sascha Franck]

Digital control over analog stuff is a thing.

Very unlikely, though, don't you think?

Anyway, as the entire section seems to be digital, it'd be interesting to learn what the latency is. In case it's as good as the AMT Pangaea (1.2ms fully loaded, as in /w IR and EQ), it's probably not much of an issue.

 

[Will Onyx]

I’m sure these are pretty cool, but a lot of these new designs just look like a reworked Tech 21 Power Cab to me.

 

[Warmart]

From a reply by IKM Rep on TOP:

I'd like to see how it compares with its 800€ price against Fender FR-12 which is 550€. 250€ extra for what's basically an IR loading system (without going into the details) is steep.

I run a quick comparison at the end, it is much more than IR loading. It sounds that much better and is that much more powerful with < 1ms latency introduced too. But there's more at the end.

The amp tone knob is likely just a hi/low pass filter. I'll just continue to go straight to FOH and monitor my guitar in my vocal wedge. I can achieve the same thing with cuts at the board.

It is more than that but I covered that already.

My iLoud Micro Monitors are some of the most impressive speakers I've heard, so curious to hear this in person.

That said... DSP means some latency. Between my wireless, the modeller and this it adds up. I like that the Fender FR are all analog and thus zero added latency. (2-3ms isn't much, but when you have multiple sequential digital devices it turns into 7-10ms which starts to be noticeable)

But still, curious to hear it! Looks like a well thought out product.

Thanks! The latency is < 1ms. We do know how to use DSP in speakers to basically do what some feel is "defying physics" but that would be hyperbole to say ourselves

Oh I only use them as computer speakers so latency is irrelevant. Just saying they sound very good and thus we can assume IK knows how to put together a good active speaker system.

We do, and even if considered irrelevant the latency is less than 1ms so we're doing well there regardless.

For those with more knowledge on "FRFR" cabs than I...exactly what benefit - tonally speaking - does this product provide over the Fender FR-12? Seems to be a big price increase for a very similar product....

See below, I do a quick comparison at the end.

There was some cryptic social media post from IK I think last week that started the speculation.

It was one line out of an email that was interpreted by a forum user. Because of this, we changed "bigger and better" (which is already a pretty broad and common phrase) to "better and better" to clarify for those who are apparently very literal. Though technically TONEX CAB is bigger than anything in the TONEX line.

The price is pretty expensive compared to the competition. Listening to the "I got this for free from ToneX but this is my own opinion" crowd I am not seeing how it's "groundbreaking" for "FRFR". The IR in the cab is nice especially for preamp analog sims on a pedal board but is it worth like $700-800 for such a feature? Tonejunkies video I haven't seen a digital modeler he hasn't loved. Everything is ground breaking to him. Then he admits goes back to playing his Kemper...

I just don't see how IK moves these in the volume they want at the price they set it to. The FR12 & FR10 are reviewed very well and are practically hundred dollars cheaper. Also the little nuances that these "paid product previews" show (they are paid as they got products for free.) nobody is going to notice. The live knob thing is not a $100 upgrade over an FR12.

I do love my ToneX Pedal but I bought a FR10 awhile ago and I am just not seeing these sounding hugely different or $100-200 different.
Click to expand...

It is more than just the Amp Control knob, I elaborate below in comparison to the 12" competitors

any mention of the materials used to construct the cab?

We mention wood but specifically it is a quality construction of plywood similar to many major cabs (like many Marshall, etc).

I don’t see how this is better than the Fender FR-12 that’s $100 cheaper. But they really should have removed that IR feature and priced it lower.

There's much more than the IR feature. The Amp Control (much more than an EQ as mentioned already), quality speakers and not all analog which allow for a much better sound and more powerful (the other units' power specs have been elaborated in great detail elsewhere, I'll leave it at that) output, latency of less than 1ms so there's next to zero compromise there to get the higher quality and control, smaller and lighter yet more powerful and authentic-sounding, MIDI control and flexible I/O, probably missed some in there.

 

[Richard_G]

This will not make me sell my CLR active wedge.

 

[LeftyLoungeLizard]

There's that "amp in the room" line again; I see it everywhere now!

What exactly is "real amp-in-the-room feel"?

 

[Stone]

There's that "amp in the room" line again; I see it everywhere now!

What exactly is "real amp-in-the-room feel"?

Dont Know but if you want Amp in the Room just buy an amp and it will be just that an amp in a room
but I think they are responding to critics and reviewers from days past saying a "FRFR" does not feel like an amp in the room
i mean of course it does not its Sim of a Mic'ed amp in a studio
Think tone from a Recording or Tone from a live concert 2 different sounding things

 

[paisleywookiee]

Dont Know but if you want Amp in the Room just buy an amp and it will be just that an amp in a room
but I think they are responding to critics and reviewers from days past saying a ""FRFR"" does not feel like an amp in the room
i mean of course it does not its Sim of a Mic'ed amp in a studio
Think tone from a Recording or Tone from a live concert 2 different sounding things

Tone from a live concert isn’t amp in the room either. Still mic’d.

 

[Stone]

Tone from a live concert isn’t amp in the room either. Still mic’d.

Yes but for most musicians in a concert they still use amps on stage rest is mic'ed to the Sound engineer to the FOH
Still not like studio recordings
A lot too now just use IEM with click tracks
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[paisleywookiee]

Yes but for most musicians in a concert they still use amps on stage rest is mic'ed to the Sound engineer to the FOH
Still not like studio recordings
A lot too now just use IEM with click tracks
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That’s kinda my point. With everything going in-ear, even the musicians aren’t hearing the actual amp.

 

[Sascha Franck]

What exactly is "real amp-in-the-room feel"?

It's wrong.