Fractal Talk

[norminal]

I think maybe that's the next thing Cliff needs to "update."

Noooo! Don’t give him any ideas! We need him to stay focused on the Amp block. We need more Marshall models!

 

[TSJMajesty]

Yes.

If you're ever in doubt, soft reset. You'll get the default values back on the channel.

That's the full extent of it.

The rest of the discussion about what an true, "empty" preset would be is mostly noise.

But what if I like how my presets have been tweaked by me, iow, I'd like to leave all my parameters just the way they are, but I'd like to hear how they sound with the new FW?

It seemed like, if I wanted to get the full effect of the new FW, I have to do a hard reset. But then I lose my settings. If I understand that right...

 

[TSJMajesty]

Noooo! Don’t give him any ideas! We need him to stay focused on the Amp block. We need more Marshall models!

"You can get any amp tone you want, if you just spend enough time with the ones we already have! Sheesh! How many Marshalls do you guys need anyway?!"

 

[iaresee]

But what if I like how my presets have been tweaked by me, iow, I'd like to leave all my parameters just the way they are, but I'd like to hear how they sound with the new FW?

It seemed like, if I wanted to get the full effect of the new FW, I have to do a hard reset. But then I lose my settings. If I understand that right...

If you like the way things sound post-firmware update don't change anything.

If you want to get the new defaults do something to note your current settings like screen shots, writing them down or saving your preset to a new location. Then soft reset. And then copy your settings back on top of the reset channel.

I'm pushing for a way to export a block's settings to text. Or all the blocks in a preset. So there's an easier way to capture all the settings before doing the reset. And diff them.

 

[norminal]

"You can get any amp tone you want, if you just spend enough time with the ones we already have! Sheesh! How many Marshalls do you guys need anyway?!"

Marshall’s are my preferred flavor, so I’m totally fine with the vast selection we have available. But I’d totally trade a few for say, a Boss BD-2 model.

 

[Achilles]

"You can get any amp tone you want, if you just spend enough time with the ones we already have!"

"You don't need more bass amps. Just take these guitar amps and - well, you know, tweak, tweak, tweak....... "

 

[DrewJD82]

I just highlighted all my personal presets and did the batch reset in the editor. All it changed was the graphic EQ in the amp block so every time I loaded a Mesa, and forgot I did the reset, I wondered for a couple seconds why they sounded like shit until I re-did the 5-bands.

 

[Whizzinby]

That FW thread is the most confusing one I've ever read.

Soft/hard reset, if I call/recall an amp, or use a different one, does it retain the settings of the last amp I used? What If I make a preset from scratch, why does the amp use the defaults? Wait, sometimes it doesn't? Why is that?

Makes me wonder is presets I've only tweaked are using old algorithms.

I'm quickly falling into "Fractal is too damn complicated" camp. Fuck it. I'll leave my shit alone. Sounds good enough for me, as is.

Seriously.

The differences in the amp tones reminds me of this:

Dude I forced myself to catch up to the end of that thread last night, but I’m not going back for any more on the thread.

One that had me stumped was if you update the FW but don’t reset to change the defaults you wouldn’t hear any difference. Like same settings would sound the same on the new FW. But if I have to change my settings to hear a difference, couldnt I have done that the entire time?

I get there is a probably a simple explanation or my dumbass misinterpreted it, but I wasn’t in Let’s Go To The Science Fair mood at the time reading it.

Does is rawk bro? YAS!

/Close thread.

That’s all we really need to know.

 

[Whizzinby]

"You can get any amp tone you want, if you just spend enough time with the ones we already have! Sheesh! How many Marshalls do you guys need anyway?!"

These people need to be forced into oncoming traffic.

How many Marshall do I need? Precisely one more then it currently has. Always. K. Thx. Bye.

 

[iaresee]

One that had me stumped was if you update the FW but don’t reset to change the defaults you wouldn’t hear any difference.

Whoever said that is incorrect.

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

You guys and your precious presets.

 

[Whizzinby]

Whoever said that is incorrect.

Yeah it didn’t make sense, but there was all kinds of stuff like that plaguing the thread. I had to bail.

 

[LP59]

Dude I forced myself to catch up to the end of that thread last night, but I’m not going back for any more on the thread.

One that had me stumped was if you update the FW but don’t reset to change the defaults you wouldn’t hear any difference.

It’ll sound different, but you need to reset to hear all the improvements.

 

[Rock Chalk]

Everything needed for how to deal with the new beta is pretty much clearly stated here in the first post of that thread:

 

[ᛗᛜᛜᚺDᛜᎶ Ꮤᛨᚳᚴ]

Too many knobs. You're overthinking it.

AND IT GOES TO 12! That's one more than eleven!! OMG, I need that amp (it will be 1 louder than Nigel Tuffnell's amp)!!!

 

[jellodog]

You guys and your precious presets.

IKR?

I tweak mine every all the time, same as I would a real amp and pedalboard. Always evolving.

 

[Aleksi]

I know some users like to tweak the amp block to death to eke out the perfect tone, but my process is literally

1. Choose amp
2. Fiddle with tone controls and gain until it sounds good
3. Too muddy? Raise the input EQ lo-cut or use the preamp boost
4. Done

Maybe I'm missing some revelatory toans by not increasing the BLONK in the CRUMBULATRIX by 0,4, but eh whatever, it's not like it'll suddenly make me a good guitar player. I mean sometimes it's fun to play with the advanced controls, but it doesn't make or break my sounds.

Also, you can just not reset the amp if you like how it sounds. Some values will be different than the new defaults, but you'll still be running the new algorithms.

 

[Stratzrus]

I'll leave my shit alone. Sounds good enough for me, as is.

Seriously.

That's what I usually do. Every couple of years I'll do a firmware upgrade, particularly if new features are offered that I really want like gapless switching.

I will upgrade at some point and expect that I'll have to rebuild all of my presets from scratch. But it will be worth it. I'll have significant changes in tone and feel, not just minor incremental ones, and I won't have to do it again for two or three more years.

 

[laxu]

The whole reset thing is complicated because the function to do it on all presets is buried in Axe-Edit (Manage presets -> select presets -> right click -> Reset amp blocks) and not really advertised in fw release notes as "do this to correctly reset the amp block to latest settings".

That leads to a lot of "how do I do this right?" type questions.

IMO this could be automated during first boot after fw update because it clearly causes enough confusion every time. Fractal doesn't release updates that require users to retweak their presets that often. To automate it, I'd look at how database migrations work because it's a somewhat similar process.

 

[Piing]

What I don't get is so many people saying "WOW!" or "BOO!" just by recalling how they think that it did sound before updating the FW, or even worst: listening a YouTube video.

You cannot even trust what you think you heard ten seconds ago to compare it with what you hear now, yet alone a distant memory of a tone.