Fractal Talk
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Worked through my main patch footswitching stuff last night, was pretty much able to get everything I wanted although I had to do some things in different ways than anticipated. In the end, I was able to put nearly everything I wanted in the patch, which maxed out the dsp, yet I can still access every block and channel I want to from the footswitches.
There were a few surprises, like how you can’t switch channels on multiple blocks at the same time with one footswitch and how you can’t make as many custom per preset layouts as you want (you get one, and you can sort of trick it into two - but you can’t have 4 like I wanted). In the end, I figured out how to get where I wanted to go though.
Crazy how much power this thing has in such a relatively small box. That one patch has everything my helix floor setup has with an outboard pedalboard plus quite a few other things the helix rig didn’t, all in a smaller footprint with less physical footswitches. Less really is more sometimes in fractal land. It looks like I’ve downsized but in reality I have more sounds footswitchable than I’ve ever had before.
Now the super cool part, I can use that patch for the majority of my stuff, but when there’s a song/part where I want to do something totally different that isn’t in that patch I don’t have to plan ahead and have a song specific patch that keeps the normal stuff I need and ditches the stuff I don’t to fit the new thing in. Due to the gapless switching I just jump to the preset with whatever thing in it mid song without having to go through all that trouble. That’s the thing I’m just as excited about as having more sounds footswitchable in my main preset.
I was pretty careful with how I built the patch to get good spillover functionality, we’ll see how that works out. I’m on track to be ready to use this at a rehearsal Thursday and hopefully a gig this weekend.
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There were a few surprises, like how you can’t switch channels on multiple blocks at the same time with one footswitch and how you can’t make as many custom per preset layouts as you want (you get one, and you can sort of trick it into two - but you can’t have 4 like I wanted). In the end, I figured out how to get where I wanted to go though.
Crazy how much power this thing has in such a relatively small box. That one patch has everything my helix floor setup has with an outboard pedalboard plus quite a few other things the helix rig didn’t, all in a smaller footprint with less physical footswitches. Less really is more sometimes in fractal land. It looks like I’ve downsized but in reality I have more sounds footswitchable than I’ve ever had before.
Now the super cool part, I can use that patch for the majority of my stuff, but when there’s a song/part where I want to do something totally different that isn’t in that patch I don’t have to plan ahead and have a song specific patch that keeps the normal stuff I need and ditches the stuff I don’t to fit the new thing in. Due to the gapless switching I just jump to the preset with whatever thing in it mid song without having to go through all that trouble. That’s the thing I’m just as excited about as having more sounds footswitchable in my main preset.
I was pretty careful with how I built the patch to get good spillover functionality, we’ll see how that works out. I’m on track to be ready to use this at a rehearsal Thursday and hopefully a gig this weekend.
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JiveTurkey
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1. Can you not assign a control switch to channel switching and then assign those same control switches to multiple blocks?
2. You can save over the included footswitch layouts. I have done it on every FAS device of this gen I have owned.
GTR37
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1 , yes you can use control switch groups
Groups allows you to assign multiple things to one Control switch
I personally don’t get that deep but I think LT might have a tutorial on it somewhere
JiveTurkey
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I cribbed my performance layouts from a Burgs preset. One is a hybrid scenes with some control switches and utility adds and a toggle which goes to effects layout with amp block gain up and input block gain down toggles for "cleaner" parts.
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I don't know if the FM9 supports it, but my favourite thing about the FC-12 is being able to have 8 layouts that I can fully customize. I have mostly kept the stock ones for now, but I have three custom layouts which give me a ton of control, and switching between them by pressing the last two switches together is really easy.
State of Epicicity
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That's the purpose of scenes, Dude!
1. That’s what I thought you could do and planned to do, but I couldn’t figure it out…. Maybe I just missed how to do it, I’ll check again it would simplify some things for me.
2. You can, and I did. Only to learn that even if you make 4 instances of “per preset” you can only easily use one of them. The others just show duplicates of the same things you put on the first one. I was able to get a second by using the “per preset override” on the switches of that second layout. Either way, you are limited to 24 per preset switches per preset, which ended up being enough I just had to do things differently. At least that’s what I found doing this for the first time, I could have missed something. The result is I have more buttons that cycle through channels on blocks than I might have liked but it will be fine. Rather than cycling through 3 or 4 choruses with one switch I’d rather just go to a page that gives me named options for my modulation channels (Ce2, trichorus, etc), but cycling does the job it’s not something I’ll be doing all the time.
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I like to do things “wrong”. I use scenes for parts of songs. I don’t want to use them any other way. I had the same complaint with helix, where you’re limited to how many parameters you can put on one footswitch. When you exceed that you have to move to snapshots or do without. I would do without.
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Rock Chalk
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You can if you connect a "loopback" midi cable from midi out to midi in, and use CS Midi......that's what I do anyway.......it works.
That’s slick, and definitely not something my brain was gonna come up with at 1am when I was working on this, thanks!
This is the thing I was missing… I knew I remembered seeing someone do something like that but I convinced myself I dreamed it up. Now I remember; there’s a cooper carter video showing it. I’ll look it up and try again.
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State of Epicicity
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You could use the Setlist/Song feature instead.
Doesn’t work for me, I would need way too many presets and scenes to cover all the combinations of things I use. I could do it, it’s just tons of overhead that doesn’t really give me much back for the work. Without global blocks I just don’t see any way I could maintain all that. And with the one exception of not being able to push channels as far as I’d like with the switches, it’s worked out fine so far.
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um yeah so I think we both might be dreaming on this… I can’t find that video now and there’s nowhere in fm9 edit that I see where you can attach any kind of controller to a channel selection other than the baked in footswitch options.
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Yeah I’ve noticed that Cliff pretty much knows about where the Presence and Depth is ideal for an amp. I rarely alter those.
With the Moderns, they just work. Maybe a modest bump in treble and modest drop in gain. They are kind of foolproof, and just slap.
KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
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unix-guy
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Control Switches can't change or select channels...
Rock Chalk
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That’s why a loopback cable is needed for this.
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