Boss GM-800 and GK-5

[Trollbait]

Let us know when you can form an opinion on actual experience

I am forming opinion from actual experience since I purchased two Roland gr50s in the 90s, Roland VG8, VG99, SY300, SY1000. DSP modeling from a guitar string works way better as far as latency and tracking errors.

Can you say that you've never experienced a ghost note or mistrigger from your GM 800? All that I'm hearing is that it's improved from people who've already adjusted their technique from years of experience dealing with guitar pitch to midi flaws.

Here's that modeling software using old tech Roland P2M.

 

[Trollbait]

The same old tiring and cliche "opinions are like assholes and everyone has one".

At least I seem to have the GAS coming out from mine under control. Lol

 

[Trollbait]

For internal pitch sounds? Extremely little, ..

That's exactly my experience with the Roland GR50, with focused technique, for both the internal sounds (which I don't use much) using GK pups and external midi triggered synths using a Wilcox Atlantis hex FX guitar.

That Roland GI20 is old tech, but many people thought it had very good P2M tracking, most likely because it had the same tech as the GR50.

I focus on external P2M because triggering real analog Synths is a gas. For example, trigger a Korg Arp 2600M while also triggering a polyphonic ARP2600 sample loaded into the emu ESI32. The mixing of the two can remove some of the static feel that are inherent with using samples. Plus sample waveforms can be run through analog synths, filters, envelope etc that open up modulation possibilities.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I really wish I could have tried one of these when they were out.

I don't think you've missed that much. After trying the Axon out I went for a GI-10 (which I still own), as I couldn't justify spending that much more money for something only "somewhat" better (noticeably, yes, turning guitar-to-MIDI into an all around joyful event, no).

 

[Sascha Franck]

But the focus is on the internal engine.

Which is not all *that* different from triggering external MIDI sounds. Most likely the main advance being that internal sounds are being treated as a multitimbral expander, so each string is using its own (MIDI, or kinda...) channel, which allows for vastly more effective garbage filtering, hence tracking. That's making up for a whole lot of a difference already and most people triggering synths via MIDI don't bother setting up multitimbral sound modules.

 

[Trollbait]

this smokes any previous Roland PCM rompler synth

Did the Guitar pitch to midi out improve? I've found in previous units like the VG99 and SY1000 its actually gotten worse since 1990s GR50 midi out.

 

[Trollbait]

SY and GP-10 were both far superior for pitch to MIDI than any previous Roland unit I had.

The SY1000 is known to have poor guitar P2M tracking. That's not just my opinion but also the opinion of many experienced users on vguitarforums.

The GM-800 has a better edge on those for tracking accuracy, not tried the guitar to mid on the GM-800 as there has been no need to since the GM has the Zen Core engine which contains every synth type Roland has made, including the L.A. synth from the GR-50 and the D series synths, and if the synth model or wavetable is not there, you can load up new ones with expansion packs.

I would like to have improved guitar P2M ( flawless) but haven't heard good things about the GM800 in that reguards and was wondering if you had a chance to test it.

My interest is with midi guitar triggering of a bunch of analog synths and assorted PCM based Rompers that I own. The internal sounds in the GR50 trigger well but never really sounded that great.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Here's the thing. If you're complaining that a piece of gear hasn't worked for 25 years to accurately turn your guitar into an accordion; you probably could have just buckled down and learned the GD accordion in the time you spent complaining for decades.

In similar fashion; I read elsewhere on someone complaining there was a bug in Midi Guitar2 where it wouldn't translate a flat-sus-minor9th-suspended flat 12th-wtfever chord. Here's an idea. Just understand what you're doing is not the norm and accept the limitations that get you as close as possible in turning a strat into a pipe organ.

 

[TJontheRoad]

Here's the thing. If you're complaining that a piece of gear hasn't worked for 25 years to accurately turn your guitar into an accordion; you probably could have just buckled down and learned the GD accordion in the time you spent complaining for decades.

In similar fashion; I read elsewhere on someone complaining there was a bug in Midi Guitar2 where it wouldn't translate a flat-sus-minor9th-suspended flat 12th-wtfever chord. Here's an idea. Just understand what you're doing is not the norm and accept the limitations that get you as close as possible in turning a strat into a pipe organ.

Maybe just play a MIDI accordion with some guitar samples. At least that Absusm9 chord would come out ok.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Maybe just play a MIDI accordion with some guitar samples. At least that Absusm9 chord would come out ok.

I think you just invented the world's first Accordion Controller

 

[SymphonicDischord]

 

[Trollbait]

Are you “Chrish”? If so, that would explain a lot.

It’s not glaringly black and white. Surprise surprise, Elantric prefers the Fishman. Again, he’s a smart guy. It’s still an opinion though. Others work fine with it because they know what they’re doing, like Gumtown, Brock, some other guys over there, etc

Nice personal attack while kissing others ass for likes.
So needy.

Gumtown was clear that he has NOT tried the GM800 P2M.

I guess you can't accept that 35 year old tech still works (mostly) for some of us. But hey, you're the expert.

 

[Trollbait]

That wasn't a personal attack.

It most certainly was. Get your head out of your own ass and you will see that's your MO here. You might also see who's kissing it.

Here's the thing. If you're complaining that a piece of gear hasn't worked for 25 years to accurately turn your guitar into an accordion;

That's not what I want to do. And didn't you write the book about complaining about Rooooollaaaand?

I just want to know before investing well over $1000 on what appears to be another Roland repackage job, if it actually works as advertised. No music stores that carry the the GM800 within 230 Miles, one way, form where I live. So I have to ask questions and read information from trusted sources and hopefully the shills, fanboys, and pro-madonna's keep their shilling to themselves.

One experienced user at V says he has gotten, I believe he said, acceptable results with the GM 800 pitch to midi. Acceptable doesn't sound any better than then the acceptable tracking on a lot of Roland products.

So JT, in your experience, how is the GM800 P2M?

 

[JiveTurkey]

It most certainly was. Get your head out of your own ass and you will see that's your MO here. You might also see who's kissing it.

That's not what I want to do. And didn't you write the book about complaining about Rooooollaaaand?

I just want to know before investing well over $1000 on what appears to be another Roland repackage job, if it actually works as advertised. No music stores that carry the the GM800 within 230 Miles, one way, form where I live. So I have to ask questions and read information from trusted sources and hopefully the shills, fanboys, and pro-madonna's keep their shilling to themselves.

One experienced user at V says he has gotten, I believe he said, acceptable results with the GM 800 pitch to midi. Acceptable doesn't sound any better than then the acceptable tracking on a lot of Roland products.

So JT, in your experience, how is the GM800 P2M?

I don't use P2M. No reason to. The features that I do use the GM for vs. GR55 previously it is about wash. It is world's better as far as form factor and preset switching goes. That is a big thing for me.

If you want to know if it is or isn't an improvement; you are probably going to have to bite that bullet. Which is made a bit more cumbersom because you will need to buy the GK converter which will give you maybe a inaccurate assumption of how well (or not) P2M is on the GM.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Allow me to bridge a gap. Boss/Roland, Fishman and MG are all we have in this uber-specific niche of gear. If you don't at least try it; you won't know. That's what these new age store policies are all about. Try and return if you don't like it. Expecting Boss/Roland (especially) to innovate on a grand level is a recipe for disappointment if there ever was one. I gave up that ranting crusade long ago because it just wasn't worth it.

 

[TJontheRoad]

I think you just invented the world's first Accordion Controller

Roland FR-8x Piano-type V-Accordion - Black

Piano V-Accordion with 41 Piano Keys, 120 Push-button Bass Keys, 128-voice Polyphony, 100 Virtual Accordion Sets, Onboard Multi-effects, and USB Connectivity - Black

www.sweetwater.com

 

[JiveTurkey]

Already exists

Roland FR-8x Piano-type V-Accordion - Black

Piano V-Accordion with 41 Piano Keys, 120 Push-button Bass Keys, 128-voice Polyphony, 100 Virtual Accordion Sets, Onboard Multi-effects, and USB Connectivity - Black

www.sweetwater.com

$6000 dollars?!?!?!?!?

 

[TJontheRoad]

$6000 dollars?!?!?!?!?

And everyone is batching about the price of the GM-800.

 

[JiveTurkey]

This is like 2 clicks removed from Punched Lasagna

 

[mbenigni]

For the love of God. ROMPLer:

Romper: