What’s going on with Marshall??

FuzzyAce said:
I won't lie, I'd still love a 1959 stack. Why? Because it's cool AF. :grin
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Fuck yeah!

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JiveTurkey said:
Looking for 100 watt JVM 112 combo (that doesn't exist)so I can use my jigsaw skills. Width: 20", Height: 14" :rollsafe
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I got you covered. Though really -- we should be doing this as a 1x10 for all those classic Marshall tones, especially given how authentic the Helix Marshalls all are:

My 28lb. Helix Combo amp

I started to make a light pine 1x12" cab for my Helix Stomp board and it quickly morphed into a little more than just a cab - pics below. Power-amp is built into the inside of the cab. With Stomp board stowed and secured, the whole shebang with C. Rex 12" speaker, HX Stomp board (including...
www.thegearpage.net
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
I got you covered. Though really -- we should be doing this as a 1x10 for all those classic Marshall tones, especially given how authentic the Helix Marshalls all are:

My 28lb. Helix Combo amp

I started to make a light pine 1x12" cab for my Helix Stomp board and it quickly morphed into a little more than just a cab - pics below. Power-amp is built into the inside of the cab. With Stomp board stowed and secured, the whole shebang with C. Rex 12" speaker, HX Stomp board (including...
www.thegearpage.net
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Reaction possibilities SUPER conflicted right now! You need to do up that Axe combo!
 
Shredder777 said:
I'm going to quote you again, the original post that I responded to when I waded into this debate.

Aside from the "real men" comment, there are absolutely reasons that 100watt amps are a standard. 20Watt or 50watt amps when trying to accomplish the same styles that 100watt amps are renouned for, typically come up short. Amps weren't made with 100 watts "just because". Our whole perception of what consitutes good tone has been shaped by 100 watt marshalls. They sound amazing.
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100W amps have never been "a standard". Most people have been buying 20-50W amps for decades because they're cheaper and less loud.

Only metal players have been deliberately going for the 100W+ models because yes, they do have a particular sound and feel to them that you don't get from the less powerful ones. But you better have a good master volume on those, and be ready to move around big, heavy heads and at least a 2x12.

Shredder777 said:
All these lunchbox heads aren't an improvement, they are just acknowledging that they can reach more hobby players who want to feel like they are playing the real thing. If you can charge 1500 for a small version of the amp you will still get sales, and it will let you charge 3000 for the big boy version.
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The only difference with the Marshall lunchboxes is that they pack Marshall's popular circuits (and their famous names) into these formats. Marshall has been making lower wattage amps for ages.

IMO the Studio range is pretty stupid as a product range when everything but the JCM800 is still pretty freakin' loud without an attenuator if you want overdrive out of it. But it's cheaper, lighter and smaller so it sells, and might be appropriate for many venues where 50-100W non-MV amps are never going to work well unless they're used as a pedal platform or with an attenuator.

Shredder777 said:
My thinking is that I would always choose a 100watt version over something smaller, especially with availability of reactive loads. If I'm gigging, I will pick modeling and a lightweight FR system. Those 20watt heads are a compromise in too many ways.
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My sweet spot is the 30-50W range. I've never had issues with volume or headroom there, and personally prefer the somewhat sweeter, marginally less dynamic 50 watters over 100W.
 
paisleywookiee said:
Once you get to 40-50w, which generally means big bottles, I don't think it matters until you're at a dB that'll damage hearing. Yes, you could argue there are minute differences in low end or whatever, but again it's not worth the cost, either initial or future tube replacement, nor the weight.
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I mostly agree and use/have used plenty of different 50 watters in the past, but I do think there's exceptions... the rectoverb 50 I used to have just could not hang with a drummer, immediately swallowed up and out of headroom, especially on the clean channel

Conversely, my '76 deluxe reverb is deafening and has devoured much higher wattage amps in a mix too
 
paisleywookiee said:
Around here, if you show up with a 100w head and a full stack, you look like an asshole that's compensating for something.
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As for this part, I don't think I've ever seen an actual full stack rolled out by a local band aside from a doom show, where I think it's fairly appropriate

100 watts and a 4x12 still pretty standard practice for rock or metal..

Personally I moved away from 4x12s over a year ago. Still occasionally will rock a 2x12 but truthfully I like how my mesa 1x12s sound the best so that works for me lol
 
Shredder777 said:
There is absolutely truth in it. Aside from the real man comment, there are reasons why tube amps are typically 100 watts.

If 20 watt lunchbox el84 amps were just as effective, wouldnt they have become popular many decades ago?
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So, you actually think PAs and other venue sound systems are the same today as they were, what? Well over 50 years ago in the 60s and 70s when 100W Superlead full stacks were the thing? And you are not expecting any shifts in the technology over that period? LOL. :P
 
Elric said:
So, you actually think PAs and other venue sound systems are the same today as they were, what? Well over 50 years ago in the 60s and 70s when 100W Superlead full stacks were the thing? And you are not expecting any shifts in the technology over that period? LOL. :p
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PA systems are for making things loud. Guitar amps are for attaching to load devices to feed an ADC to add some reverb and then back out to a headphone amp for bedroom practicing/recording. Without 100 watts, the feel just isn’t there.
 
Shredder777 said:
Less people are in bands and just playing at home. Modeling has gotten fantastic. A smaller percent of people "need" a large amp. Those are the reasons, if any.

All these lunchbox heads aren't an improvement, they are just acknowledging that they can reach more hobby players who want to feel like they are playing the real thing. If you can charge 1500 for a small version of the amp you will still get sales, and it will let you charge 3000 for the big boy version.
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Yes, that is true - certainly for me. I will never play live or gig, ever. I have limited space in my home.

In the suburbs with noise pollution laws, yet still enjoying the spound and "feel" of tubes over any modeller I've tried... what to do? I like the sound of an eletric guitar in a room and have done all my life, and with no live venues where I live I now have to make those sounds myself.

If you think you are a "big boy" for playing 100w amps ("the real thing") - well, let's just agree to disagree. I do not "want to feel like I'm playing the real thing" - I just enjoy the amps I have in the small home I have in the suburbs.

100w amps are only "the standard" for limited uses.
 
Jambi said:
Being from America, I feel like my relationship with Marshall could be different if I were from the UK. On this side of the pond, there are a lot of Marshall flavored options for a more competitive price considering the “improvements” and options.

Again. Being from America, they remind me of Taco Bell. I love them, but every time they come out with something, I can’t help but feel like I’ve seen it before.
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Another similarity with taco bell, they're both basically a fart in a box.
 
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