What’s going on with Marshall??

[MirrorProfiles]

Looking for 100 watt JVM 112 combo (that doesn't exist)so I can use my jigsaw skills. Width: 20", Height: 14"

The 100W 2x12 JVM combos are an absolute steal over here. ~£400 or so, probably what it costs to by a pair of celestions and a new set of valves on their own.

 

[laxu]

Every single JVM tone I can think of on an album is a 4x12. In fact, I can't think of anyone mentioning using a 4x10 in any kind of professional capacity with a JVM. Not saying it sounds bad or is a bad idea, but I don't think its worth accommodating an amp to fit a 4x10, in the same way I wouldn't try and make it fit a 1x12 or 2x10 or anything else. There's nothing wrong with a 4x10 but that doesn't mean that the amp should be forced to work with it - its been designed with a 4x12 in mind, because thats the sound that most people are familiar with when it comes to Marshall amps. Full fat JVM+wider 2x12 is a way easier fix than reducing a JVM down to fit on a 4x10.

For reference, my 4x10 is about 10 cm narrower than the JVM410 head. It's not much, but enough to make it look a bit odd on top of it.

4x10s are a classic case of "nobody famous used them, so they're not popular." The Super Reverb and Bassman, as used by SRV and others, remain basically the few somewhat popular 4x10s.

Plenty of extra space? Its already bunched in, the space that is there is quite useful to have. I can't think of many amps ever made that have more knobs on the front.

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Yes, compared to many other amps there's plenty of space, and I can bet that amp could be designed to fit into even less. They just didn't need to do it when they knew it was going into this big box form factor.

If they ever make a successor, I'd love to have it be a bit smaller and lighter.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

For reference, my 4x10 is about 10 cm narrower than the JVM410 head. It's not much, but enough to make it look a bit odd on top of it.

4x10s are a classic case of "nobody famous used them, so they're not popular." The Super Reverb and Bassman, as used by SRV and others, remain basically the few somewhat popular 4x10s.


Yes, compared to many other amps there's plenty of space, and I can bet that amp could be designed to fit into even less. They just didn't need to do it when they knew it was going into this big box form factor.

If they ever make a successor, I'd love to have it be a bit smaller and lighter.

It’s already the biggest chassis Marshall have ever used, they had to make it deeper because their standard size won’t fit the amp in. As I’ve said before, I don’t think any of the numbers would make sense for Marshall to put another JVM amp into production, especially so if it requires totally different chassis and headcabs to make it work. The demand would be so small for a stripped down JVM that I really can’t see the point, it’s a miracle JVM’s are still in production in all honesty.

I also think it’s unlikely Marshall would deviate too much from their current sizes, it’s just more economical to keep things consistent. All their full fat heads have kept similar sizes for years, and I think they want to preserve the general look for a half stack and full stack.

 

[la szum]

Everything must have the Beetlejuice shrunken head equivalent form factor option!

I am so over the Luncbox Movement. I get it. I know why it exists. Just over it.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I am so over the Luncbox Movement. I get it. I know why it exists. Just over it.

Lunchbox to me implies an el84/6v6 turd. That's not what I am asking for. A Mark VII is 18 3/4" wide. That's the lunchbox size (and power) I want!

 

[MirrorProfiles]

They’re teasing stuff for NAM.

 

[metropolis_4]

The physical size of the heads is the reason I haven’t bought another Marshall.

Give me a Marshall in a Mark size head

 

[Blix]

I'm fully prepared to be disappointed by Marshall again.

 

[metropolis_4]

This BS mentality about 100 watt big box amps being real men’s amps and 20 watt small box amps being “pipsqueeks” is the reason the amp industry and brands like Marshall are dying.

“Just use a 4x12” and “just play louder” are highly style dependent (believe it or not, not every guitarist plays metal), and a good mantra if you want to find yourself unemployed as a working musician.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I'm sorry I said pipsqueak

 

[la szum]

 

[Blix]

This BS mentality about 100 watt big box amps being real men’s amps and 20 watt small box amps being “pipsqueeks” is the reason the amp industry and brands like Marshall are dying.

“Just use a 4x12” and “just play louder” are highly style dependent (believe it or not, not every guitarist plays metal), and a good mantra if you want to find yourself unemployed as a working musician.

Judging by our favorite other forum, there is plenty of BS mentality going the other way too, "big amps are dead", "how could you POSSIBLY ever need more than 5w if mic'ed", etc etc.

 

[Jambi]

Ok so what part of a Friedman BE deluxe have we not seen before? Or any Suhr guitar?

Specifically, the ‘Brown Eye’ part.

 

[la szum]

Judging by our favorite other forum, there is plenty of BS mentality going the other way too, "big amps are dead", "how could you POSSIBLY ever need more than 5w if mic'ed", etc etc.

Yup. People peopling and projecting their ill-fated absolutes onto a diverse world where
one size never truly fits all.

 

[Blix]

Yup. People peopling and projecting their ill-fated absolutes onto a diverse world where
one size never truly fits all.

This... Back in the day around 2001 I was in a band that did reasonably well, so I got to play some HUGE stages. Used my 50w '68 plexi for the larger stages and happily used a Deluxe Reverb or similar smaller amp for smaller venues outside the festival season.

Sometimes I had to compromise with the plexi too, like facing the 4x12" backwards or using a huge rack lid in front of the cab.
Luckily most of the band was on in-ears so they didn't care how loud I was, I love that :)

 

[cragginshred]

As long as Ceriatone exists I couldn’t care less about Marshall. It’s been so long since they put out anything that interests me.

Heard good things never tried one. Have you sampled a Headfirst alta? That next to my new JEL 50w is my favorite non Marshall Marshall

 

[maguchi]

"Just use a 4x12” and “just play louder” are highly style dependent (believe it or not, not every guitarist plays metal), and a good mantra if you want to find yourself unemployed as a working musician.

So many metal guitarists, so little time.

 

[Eagle]

Specifically, the ‘Brown Eye’ part.

Not really anything new but it is very good and that’s the point.

 

[spawnofthesith]

"Louder than ever"


Marshall Major RI?

Marshall Majoror @ 400 watts?

 

[metropolis_4]

Judging by our favorite other forum, there is plenty of BS mentality going the other way too, "big amps are dead", "how could you POSSIBLY ever need more than 5w if mic'ed", etc etc.

It’s all the same “if I don’t need it nobody needs it!” mentality.

Amps are tools and no one tool fits every job