Tube Power Amp IRs and Captures

[djd100]

Lordy. Did you get Black Angus’d today or what?

Just messin' with Ya NAMA's, that's all, enjoy your NAM.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Wait I already smashed my Tonex did I misread the room?

It’s alright, there’s a translucent plastic micro ToneX One V2 Ultimate 6.5 that contains 37 out of 50 available ToneX packs on sale soon. Comes with 5 bonus loaded presets from Moe Johnabassa’s former guitar tech.

 

[KingsXJJ]

Wait I already smashed my Tonex did I misread the room?

Right as new firmware is released!

 

[EOengineer]

Right as new firmware is released!

 

[djd100]

The funny thing is that NAM, ToneX, Kemper, they're all wave-shapers that attempt to take a snap shot of the real deal, though none of them can truly replicate the real deal in all of it's facets seeing the real deal has a number of real-time variables happening between speaker/cab/tube power section and it's power supply, all interacting with another set of real-time variables including various environmental and component temperatures, SPL, voltages etc.

Perhaps component modeling could ultimately be the better choice for a stand-alone tube power amp sim, though only Fractal seems to really dive into this area, and they unfortunately refuse to offer stand-alone tube power amp models to protect their proprietary work, so for now the wave-shapers are probably the best stand-alone tube power amp sims we have? So for me, for real world usage, they do a good enough job until something better comes along.

Adios

 

[KingsXJJ]

Thinking over this I’d love to see something like a DSM Simplifier type device dedicated to power amps.


With tons of different tube options, bias, resonance, presence. Kinda like the PAE2 but laid out like the DSM.

 

[Richard_G]

I like my Tonex One (almost exclusively using Amalgam captures). That being said, I'd like things to be as accurate as possible. And I don't really like IK's marketing and attitude. I'm looking forward to more NAM hardware solutions.

 

[Progressive_disclosure]

The funny thing is that NAM, ToneX, Kemper, they're all wave-shapers that attempt to take a snap shot of the real deal, though none of them can truly replicate the real deal in all of it's facets seeing the real deal has a number of real-time variables happening between speaker/cab/tube power section and it's power supply, all interacting with another set of real-time variables including various environmental and component temperatures, SPL, voltages etc.

Perhaps component modeling could ultimately be the better choice for a stand-alone tube power amp sim, though only Fractal seems to really dive into this area, and they unfortunately refuse to offer stand alone stand-alone tube power amp models to protect their proprietary work, so for now the wave-shapers are probably the best stand-alone tube power amp sims we have? So for me, for real world usage, they do a good enough job until something better comes along.

Adios

This is actually what bugs me most as modeling would be my preferred solution, especially if it was available in Helix or as a small stand-alone like Tonex One.

I’m training a capture of my power amp via Tonezone3000 now but will probably not have time to fire up Tonex tonight. Just an A/B listening test V30 as load vs the built in resistive load made it clear that the load is not great for recording.

 

[djd100]

This is actually what bugs me most as modeling would be my preferred solution, especially if it was available in Helix or as a small stand-alone like Tonex One.

I’m training a capture of my power amp via Tonezone3000 now but will probably not have time to fire up Tonex tonight. Just an A/B listening test V30 as load vs the built in resistive load made it clear that the load is not great for recording.

Maybe if someone can develop a pentode NuTube there would be hope for a decent analog tube power amp sim, though they do currently have dual-triode NuTubes, so maybe someone will try making a tube power amp sim with those someday, though the vast majority of tube power amps are Class AB via pentodes?

 

[KingsXJJ]

Tu-be announced upon arrival!

 

[Progressive_disclosure]

For anyone interested in a comparison between real power amp and captures I posted my adventures in a separate thread. I did clips of the actual amp both fully attenuated and open, then Wet/Dry training and Sine Sweep training of NAM plus Tonex for good measure.

It's available here.