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What are the chances that we’d get a pedal with the same form factor but just amp and cab models?
Doesn't seem too likely? The Line 6 thinking seems to be "if they bought into our amp modeling, they buy into all of HX, so most of those folks are going to get the HX Stomp anyway."What are the chances that we’d get a pedal with the same form factor but just amp and cab models?
Posted this at The Other Place©®TM where someone asked why we didn't make an amp/cab pedal instead:What are the chances that we’d get a pedal with the same form factor but just amp and cab models?
What are the chances that we’d get a pedal with the same form factor but just amp and cab models?
Posted this at The Other Place©®TM where someone asked why we didn't make an amp/cab pedal instead:
- The target customer for HX One is the pedalboard guitarist. There are waaaay more pedalboard guitarists than there are modeler/multieffects customers. It's like asking Disney "why'd you make a movie that makes it into 1000 theaters when you could've made one that makes it into 100-200 theaters?"
- As soon as you add amps and cabs to a box, you need to support IR loading and probably a reverb. This necessitates adding a headphone amp, tonestack pots (not encoders), an FX loop that doesn't undermine your stereo out, additional UI/UX hardware accommodation (bigger screen, an extra switch, extra buttons to select blocks, etc.), more memory, larger storage, and proper editor development, and it also likely means a higher price point. That very quickly pushes into HX Stomp territory. Making a slightly less expensive (and lamer) HX Stomp would be at best, a waste of Line 6's time and efforts and at worst, cannibalizing ourselves by flooding the used market with HX Stomps.
- Other companies already make modeled-amps-in-a-pedal. I have friends at Strymon and Iridium is great (as is the UA stuff); we're not interested in developing "me too" products unless there's something truly unique and novel to be had
- Line 6 is also not interested in budget versions of products we already make; instead, we create the best possible product we can for a particular customer, environment, and set of use cases. (Helix LT is the exception, as it was already in development when Helix Floor was announced, in case our $1500 flagship [3x the cost of our previous flagship!] failed miserably.)
- Limiting a box to one effect at a time allows us to make it extremely fast and easy to use. The more features you add to a box, the harder it is to discover and navigate—and sometimes, sell.
- Additional reasons I can't disclose but they should be obvious in a couple of years.
There is actually an uncovered market here: the modern rock/metal player.Other companies already make modeled-amps-in-a-pedal. I have friends at Strymon and Iridium is great (as is the UA stuff); we're not interested in developing "me too" products unless there's something truly unique and novel to be had
Double Helix with capture tech confirmed!Additional reasons I can't disclose but they should be obvious in a couple of years.
- The target customer for HX One is the pedalboard guitarist.
There is actually an uncovered market here: the modern rock/metal player.
ir-x?Yep. Kinda surprised about how TC Electronic seems to be the only company putting out high gain amp-in-a-pedal boxes as of recently (5150 and Dual Recto Ampworx's).
ir-x?
Yes, but by the time we'd have something out, there'll be other high gain-centric versions of those pedals. I have zero inside information, but I suspect we'll see at least one or two beyond TC/B€#®!ng€® next year, maybe more.There is actually an uncovered market here: the modern rock/metal player.
Strymon Iridium, Walrus ACS1, and all the UA pedals are all vintage amp stuff. Atomic Amplifirebox is probably the closest to the above. While you can turn the Strymon into a fire-breathing beast with the right drive pedal (Strymon Riverside works great!) and 4x12 V30 IRs, it's not quite the same as a something that directly models modern amps.
Not saying Line6 should swoop into that, just saying it exists.
Boss i.e. Roland.when the fact is yall are basically the OGs of amp modelling tech
Roland was actually first! But Line6 is definitely one of the OGs, along with Yamaha, Hughes&Kettner and even Fender. Frankly back in the late 1990s, Line6 was IMO far worse than what Yamaha, H&K and Fender were putting out. They were cheaper tho...It is interesting that Line 6 often get's judged by it's entry level products more than any other brand, when the fact is yall are basically the OGs of amp modelling tech (aside from what? johnson millenium?) and without y'all fractal, etc. probably would've never made it on the scene![]()
Additional reasons I can't disclose but they should be obvious in a couple of years.
Roland was actually first! But Line6 is definitely one of the OGs, along with Yamaha, Hughes&Kettner and even Fender. Frankly back in the late 1990s, Line6 was IMO far worse than what Yamaha, H&K and Fender were putting out. They were cheaper tho...
Line6 certainly has a hard time shaking the stigma of their cheaper products, while I'd say Boss has a much harder time getting into the high end game.
I'd say no. The POD was genius from Line6 because it was quite affordable and portable so it made its way into a lot of studios and records.Could just be ignorance or my own bias from the scene I was into in the mid 2000s, but an awful lot of hard rock/metalcore/djent acts were recording and touring with PODs until the Axe FX hit the scene... did roland etc. ever really break into any scenes like that?
Thanks for the insight. I figured there were good reasons, but my brain has little leftover DSP this week.Posted this at The Other Place©®TM where someone asked why we didn't make an amp/cab pedal instead:
- The target customer for HX One is the pedalboard guitarist. There are waaaay more pedalboard guitarists than there are modeler/multieffects customers. It's like asking Disney "why'd you make a movie that makes it into 1000 theaters when you could've made one that makes it into 100-200 theaters?"
- As soon as you add amps and cabs to a box, you need to support IR loading and probably a reverb. This necessitates adding a headphone amp, tonestack pots (not encoders), an FX loop that doesn't undermine your stereo out, additional UI/UX hardware accommodation (bigger screen, an extra switch, extra buttons to select blocks, etc.), more memory, larger storage, and proper editor development, and it also likely means a higher price point. That very quickly pushes into HX Stomp territory. Making a slightly less expensive (and lamer) HX Stomp would be at best, a waste of Line 6's time and efforts and at worst, cannibalizing ourselves by flooding the used market with HX Stomps.
- Other companies already make modeled-amps-in-a-pedal. I have friends at Strymon and Iridium is great (as is the UA stuff); we're not interested in developing "me too" products unless there's something truly unique and novel to be had
- Line 6 is also not interested in budget versions of products we already make; instead, we create the best possible product we can for a particular customer, environment, and set of use cases. (Helix LT is the exception, as it was already in development when Helix Floor was announced, in case our $1500 flagship [3x the cost of our previous flagship!] failed miserably.)
- Limiting a box to one effect at a time allows us to make it extremely fast and easy to use. The more features you add to a box, the harder it is to discover and navigate—and sometimes, sell.
- Additional reasons I can't disclose but they should be obvious in a couple of years.
Yamaha VL-1 (physical modeling, but very close) > Nord Lead > Korg Prophecy > Roland JP-8000 > BOSS GP-100 > Roland VG8 > Line 6 AxsSys.Boss i.e. Roland.