NDSP Quad Cortex

The thing I don’t under stand about porting plug in and programmer help me out here

Would it not be possible or easier to just create an application like a Fractal bot
Let call it Xtractor, that basically your customers download the utility and it allows them to take any X plugins released and extract and save them as QC user blocks
That was you don’t have to first get plug in to X and then wait for a software update
Surely they could design a program to do this and save a step ?
 
The thing I don’t under stand about porting plug in and programmer help me out here

Would it not be possible or easier to just create an application like a Fractal bot
Let call it Xtractor, that basically your customers download the utility and it allows them to take any X plugins released and extract and save them as QC user blocks
That was you don’t have to first get plug in to X and then wait for a software update
Surely they could design a program to do this and save a step ?
Honestly I dont like how Cab Lab (something I think that is similar to what you referenced here) is separate from the fractal device and I think it would cause the same problems if the QC went this route. Making the plugin amps and effects as full blocks seems to be the best method imo

Cab Lab is nice but it sucks having to go back and forth to make changes which I imagine you would have to do with your idea
 
Honestly I dont like how Cab Lab (something I think that is similar to what you referenced here) is separate from the fractal device and I think it would cause the same problems if the QC went this route. Making the plugin amps and effects as full blocks seems to be the best method imo

Cab Lab is nice but it sucks having to go back and forth to make changes which I imagine you would have to do with your idea
I mean technically no , you would get your Soldano X plug in let’s say and then you would just extract and convert the blocks for the Qc
Then you could close the plug-in and just upload the block like you would captures you bought

Ahhh I think I see where you are going with this …. QC cannot save blocks to folders or your computer you have to use cloud
That’s likely the stupid snag you can’t save anything locally on your computer and the plug-in are I locked
 
The thing I don’t under stand about porting plug in and programmer help me out here

Would it not be possible or easier to just create an application like a Fractal bot
Let call it Xtractor, that basically your customers download the utility and it allows them to take any X plugins released and extract and save them as QC user blocks
That was you don’t have to first get plug in to X and then wait for a software update
Surely they could design a program to do this and save a step ?
Different architectures so whatever NDSP does, the QC version and plugin version just share code at best but are most likely their own things. I guess they have worked on updating them to work somehow with mostly same code on both platforms so it's easy for NDSP to port plugins in the future. This is the sort of groundwork that can be painstakingly long and painful to do early on, but will save your ass later.
 
OK I wasn't trying to make a joke haha. Was genuinely curious. I saw they said it was coming but someone just made a comment on sso that made it sound like it was still coming so I didn't know.
 
I wish Fractal would use that USB-A port on the FM3 for USB file transfers between units (no PC required). TMP got it right with that, and so did Kemper.
 
Axe FXIII and former Kemper user here.

I’m quite curious about the Quad Cortex. I didn’t jump on the pre-order bandwagon, and from what I’ve seen online, it seems like the company has a long way to go to keep its promises.

That said, I’ve been noticing a lot of pros musicians using the device of late, the shortcomings be damned.

My interest has also been piqued by the coming (soon haha!) plugin capabilities. I’ve never tried the Neural plugins, but what I’ve heard online and the good reviews online tell me that whenever they finally port the plugins, the tones on the unit will be vastly improved.

Just might take the plunge. I could use a tiny unit that I can easily carry around, perhaps just for jams if it isn’t as good as I hope it will be.

Would also make a nifty backup for the Axe FX.
 
Axe FXIII and former Kemper user here.

I’m quite curious about the Quad Cortex. I didn’t jump on the pre-order bandwagon, and from what I’ve seen online, it seems like the company has a long way to go to keep its promises.

That said, I’ve been noticing a lot of pros musicians using the device of late, the shortcomings be damned.

My interest has also been piqued by the coming (soon haha!) plugin capabilities. I’ve never tried the Neural plugins, but what I’ve heard online and the good reviews online tell me that whenever they finally port the plugins, the tones on the unit will be vastly improved.

Just might take the plunge. I could use a tiny unit that I can easily carry around, perhaps just for jams if it isn’t as good as I hope it will be.

Would also make a nifty backup for the Axe FX.
I used to be all in on Fractal (and still think their modelling is better than any other unit out there atm) but if you gig with the thing (FM3 for instance) it's harder to make changes on the fly to the unit unless you have a PC editor at the ready.

The QC is more friendly for gigging and while the built-in amp models are alright (nothing to write home about), the Neural Capture feature is where the goods are at if you have your own gear you want immortalized; it's not as spot-on as NAM but very serviceable if you establish a consistent method of shooting captures & have a noise-free setup (least number of things hooked up to the QC when profiling).

The form-factor is also great for the QC, small/low-profile and easy to carry around and the touch screen makes it very easy to carry out changes, quickly, on the fly if needed.

Oh, and you can run 4 parallel signal paths (2 guitars, 1 bass and 1 vocal lane for instance) each with their own effects, inputs & outputs. This is really nifty & wasn't so much of a notable benefit until I actually started playing with a band again & our other guys weren't so much into gear as I was. Turns out I can run them through the QC for rehearsal, straight into the mixing desk and get some very good tones.

Now, about their plugins, if the NDSP amp modelling in the QC is meh, their plugins are really, really good. I mean, that Fortin Nameless is just as good as any NAM profile I've probably shot of my Cameron Atomica clone (Ceriatone Molecular) which is what the Meshuggah amp is based on. The plugins have very convincing sound profiles and transient response / "feel". I look forward to those making their way into the QC.
 
Axe FXIII and former Kemper user here.

I’m quite curious about the Quad Cortex. I didn’t jump on the pre-order bandwagon, and from what I’ve seen online, it seems like the company has a long way to go to keep its promises.

That said, I’ve been noticing a lot of pros musicians using the device of late, the shortcomings be damned.

My interest has also been piqued by the coming (soon haha!) plugin capabilities. I’ve never tried the Neural plugins, but what I’ve heard online and the good reviews online tell me that whenever they finally port the plugins, the tones on the unit will be vastly improved.

Just might take the plunge. I could use a tiny unit that I can easily carry around, perhaps just for jams if it isn’t as good as I hope it will be.

Would also make a nifty backup for the Axe FX.
Pro musicians using it is most likely due to these factors:
  • They can use captures to make a digital facsimile of their favorite tube amp rig.
  • It's relatively compact so perfect for small gigs, clinics, as a fly rig etc.
  • It's easy to use.
  • NeuralDSP has been sending them to various people.
The plugin support will not make it sound better in any way. It's just more models, fx and whatnot in the unit.

Your Axe-Fx 3 is already better sounding especially for effects. As much as I like the usability and form factor of the QC, it's just missing the mark in other areas.
 
What makes you think that?
In my mind those plugins are mostly variations of stuff that’s already in the hardware, the capturing already is on par with anything.
Almost the equivalent of paid “artist presets”…with the added value that you can also run them in your daw.

I switched from Kemper a couple months back, and still happy I did. Amp sounds are definitely there, size and IO set is great, preset architecture / scenes are great, easy update and capture/preset downloads. Ready for rockandroll imho. But..no unit is perfect…I liked Kempers time efx better, seems to me they could/should get more out of what a footswitch can do, rating and meta data of captures isn’t perfect. But..all in all..happy with my purchase.

Was reading reviews, I've never tried the unit. From what I read, the common complaint was that the in-built models are underwhelming. In contrast, I've read far better things about Neural's plugins.

So totally conjecture, but if they do it right, it should be a step up from the existing tones.

Pro musicians using it is most likely due to these factors:
  • They can use captures to make a digital facsimile of their favorite tube amp rig.
  • It's relatively compact so perfect for small gigs, clinics, as a fly rig etc.
  • It's easy to use.
  • NeuralDSP has been sending them to various people.
The plugin support will not make it sound better in any way. It's just more models, fx and whatnot in the unit.

Your Axe-Fx 3 is already better sounding especially for effects. As much as I like the usability and form factor of the QC, it's just missing the mark in other areas.

I think there are also places where you can purchase good captures, for example the Omega Ampworks folks have released their own captures of their amps. Sounds like a good starting point. I also have no idea, but I'm hoping some of the free captures that have been shared are also a good starting point.

I also have a few amps of my own, so I might try capturing some of those as well.

I won't be selling the bike shop, the Axe FX is a very useful unit to me. I even sold my Kemper after spending some time with it, I vastly preferred the ability to create my own tones, rather than having to be locked into what someone else perceived as a good tone. Great unit, but I struggled with it. I was one of the earlier adopters too, got mine in 2013 and had it for some 8-9 years before I switched.

Portability is one of the main factors that is motivating me to get one of these units. I've busted my back hauling around tonnes of gear and guitars from one jam to another (you could count the number of gigs I've played at on one hand), and I think it would be great to just have a small unit that I could cart around without struggling too much.
 
Was reading reviews, I've never tried the unit. From what I read, the common complaint was that the in-built models are underwhelming. In contrast, I've read far better things about Neural's plugins.

So totally conjecture, but if they do it right, it should be a step up from the existing tones.
The built in models are a bit hit and miss, but overall sound similar to the plugins. In the same way the captures don't necessarily sound any better. The plugin support will not suddenly make it much better sounding.

I think there are also places where you can purchase good captures, for example the Omega Ampworks folks have released their own captures of their amps. Sounds like a good starting point. I also have no idea, but I'm hoping some of the free captures that have been shared are also a good starting point.
There's a freakin' ton of them on the QC Cloud so IMO you never really need to buy any captures.

I also have a few amps of my own, so I might try capturing some of those as well.
You could even capture your favorite models from your Axe-Fx 3! :D

Portability is one of the main factors that is motivating me to get one of these units. I've busted my back hauling around tonnes of gear and guitars from one jam to another (you could count the number of gigs I've played at on one hand), and I think it would be great to just have a small unit that I could cart around without struggling too much.
The form factor is excellent. The tight footswitch spacing is divisive, but I didn't find it too much of a problem as long as I was a bit more careful about where I was stomping. You can always replace that with a MIDI controller.
 
Was reading reviews, I've never tried the unit. From what I read, the common complaint was that the in-built models are underwhelming. In contrast, I've read far better things about Neural's plugins.

I'm not sure how early these reviews are but with the base amps they were a bit hit and miss. Maybe because they had to get them out the door in time, speculating.

But every amp released since has been top notch. And they even re-did a couple of the less impressive early amps.
 
Personally, I think built in amps are hit (5150) or miss (SLO). But captures is where I have found tones closer to my liking. And yes, you can capture other modelers or plugins. I am using captures of the Fortin Cali plugin for example since the hot-rodded Marshall options are limited (on built-in amps) compared to Fractal
 
I really can't complain about models or anything, the way I dial in stuff usually makes everything sound the same/horrible haha. And as mentioned, I've never tried it.

I think most of the places I heard about the models being bad was the Kemper Forums, or the Axe Forums, or some other forums where everyone who had a Kemper, or an Axe FX, or a Helix were happy with what they had.

It's just GAS, as usual. I figure I'll just have a new toy to play with and keep me interested in guitar. Motivation to do anything of consequence has simply dried up, I'll probably turn it on a few times diligently and riff a bit, then go back to "doing projects".

A real sad story, don't deserve it, blah blah. Good thing is that has never stopped me from buying gear heh.
 
The best thing IMO for someone considering QC is the free 14 day trial on the plug ins , that will give you a really good idea of the sound and feel of the NDSP stuff , while the QC may have slightly different models you can approximate MOST of them with models in the QC
For instance if you downloaded and love Gojira
That the equivalent of the 5153 EL34 Red in QC

As others have said models at
Launch were kind of hit and miss
But IMO some are really good
Like the 2203, AC30 Freidman lead , 6505
Mesa lonestar
Some that were not all that great SLO/Recto VH4 got and overhaul and I don’t see many complaints anymore although I have not personally tried them
 
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