NDSP Quad Cortex

[mikah912]

Boo. Gross. Nope.

How else are they going to give away free plugins AKA gifts for loyal customers?!?!

 

[Achilles]

Joining the cloud hivemind aka creating an account and giving the Neural turds your contact information.

Neural gets your contact information when you purchase and register your QC.
And you gotta use it for some 'maintenance' stuff but not at all for playing or performing.

My current 'Cloud Hive Mind' memberships:

Wells Fargo, CVS, Sweetwater, March & Ash (local weed shop), Amazon, Reverb, PayPal, and (at the moment) IK Multimedia.
The world no longer exists without clouds!.

 

[deadpool_25]

It's hard to exist totally off the cloud. You'll need to go full Grizzly Adams.

But I get wanting to limit that as much as possible. And NDSP already had what seems like a major security issue once that was pretty ridiculous. So I do get not wanting trust your personal information to them.

 

[JiveTurkey]

It's hard to exist totally off the cloud. You'll need to go full Grizzly Adams.

But I get wanting to limit that as much as possible. And NDSP already had what seems like a major security issue once that was pretty ridiculous. So I do get not wanting trust your personal information to them.

Yeah for me certainly it's really just them.

 

[mbenigni]

I think it was the lack of offline/mass file/individual preset backup control that put people off, really. We get too many outages with cloud-based services these days for people to feel fully comfortable putting all of their eggs in that one basket. All it takes is one time when you really want/need to post on social media/play Xbox Live/transfer an important file to a client/etc. and have that not be available for you to start thinking the same.

I mean, I get it... in theory. But we rely on all kinds of services in our day to day lives that aren't 100% available 24/ 7/ 365. I really think people inflated the consequences of maybe not being able to backup a QC in any given specific moment. A minor hysteria spread as if a cloud outage would render the QC completely inoperable. Honestly, I only use the cloud features once in a blue moon. (And when I do, they always work... knock on wood.)

 

[Jarick]

I've had no issues with the QC cloud integration. I really like being able to just load something like an IR into my account from the computer then it shows up on the QC with no fuss. Same thing with captures, I can scroll through on my phone and click download and then it's on my QC. For all the fuss about iLok, I've had no issues using plugins on my computer and no issues getting Plini activated on the QC.

 

[mbenigni]

Boo. Gross. Nope.

NDSP has my info; Line 6 has my info; a million other companies have my info. So it goes. This idea that NDSP are after my lucky charms or whatever (any more than anyone else) is just one more variation on the "oh noes clouds!" hysteria IMO.

And yes, NDSP dropped the ball in terms of securing that info once, but the actual impact was negligible (except in terms of post counts on various threads LOL.) Worse damage has been done over the years by Nintendo, Microsoft, etc. etc. etc.

 

[JiveTurkey]

NDSP has my info; Line 6 has my info; a million other companies have my info. So it goes. This idea that NDSP are after my lucky charms or whatever (any more than anyone else) is just one more variation on the "oh noes clouds!" hysteria IMO.

And yes, NDSP dropped the ball in terms of securing that info once, but the actual impact was negligible (except in terms of post counts on various threads LOL.) Worse damage has been done over the years by Nintendo, Microsoft, etc. etc. etc.

Oh I know. I just despise the company. Full stop. If you haven't already figured that out by now

 

[mbenigni]

Oh I know. I just despise the company. Full stop. If you haven't already figured that out by now

Oh, I know. But at some point we're going to have to start talking statute of limitations... or you're going to have to start coming up with better reasons.

 

[mikah912]

I mean, I get it... in theory. But we rely on all kinds of services in our day to day lives that aren't 100% available 24/ 7/ 365. I really think people inflated the consequences of maybe not being able to backup a QC in any given specific moment. A minor hysteria spread as if a cloud outage would render the QC completely inoperable. Honestly, I only use the cloud features once in a blue moon. (And when I do, they always work... knock on wood.)

I agree. The early QC days of really clunky file management, super unreliable wifi and slow, folderless menu browsing made that pain a bit more acute. I understand they've made a lot of QoL upgrades since then, not the least of which is leveraging your computer's wifi when you're connected to it for editing.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

Former long-term non-owner complainer, then short-term owner, now former owner.

Returned to sender.

 

[mbenigni]

I agree. The early QC days of really clunky file management, super unreliable wifi and slow, folderless menu browsing made that pain a bit more acute. I understand they've made a lot of QoL upgrades since then, not the least of which is leveraging your computer's wifi when you're connected to it for editing.

Ah, yes. Sometimes I forget that I skipped the first year or so of the "dark ages of QC." And even then OMG whack-a-mole capture menus...

But I think a lot of these issues get blurred together with "teh cloud suckz", when in fact they're almost entirely distinct.

 

[Achilles]

A minor hysteria spread as if a cloud outage would render the QC completely inoperable.

Wells Fargo was down the other day and I wasn't able to pay my bills...

OH THE FUCKING HUMANITY!

 

[mbenigni]

Former long-term non-owner complainer, then short-term owner, now former owner.

Returned to sender.

If you don't like the amps you don't like the amps.

 

[the swede]

Oh I know. I just despise the company. Full stop. If you haven't already figured that out by now

 

[JiveTurkey]

Oh, I know. But at some point we're going to have to start talking statute of limitations... or you're going to have to start coming up with better reasons.

 

[mikah912]

Ah, yes. Sometimes I forget that I skipped the first year or so of the "dark ages of QC." And even then OMG whack-a-mole capture menus...

But I think a lot of these issues get blurred together with "teh cloud suckz", when in fact they're almost entirely distinct.

One issue that blurred the line between the cloud's fault, NDSP myopic thinking fault and people sucking fault was the lack of required metadata when it came to cloud captures. I have no idea if that's been improved, but it made browsing quite frustrating. I gave up after awhile and would only bother auditioning new stuff from trusted sources like @Deadpan and headfirst Amplification/@Burger

 

[MirrorProfiles]

good luck buying any kind of plugin without logging into and authorising to something that’s online

 

[JiveTurkey]

Authenticate With Everyone But NeuralTM

 

[mbenigni]

One issue that blurred the line between the cloud's fault, NDSP myopic thinking fault and people sucking fault was the lack of required metadata when it came to cloud captures. I have no idea if that's been improved, but it made browsing quite frustrating. I gave up after awhile and would only bother auditioning new stuff from trusted sources like @Deadpan and headfirst Amplification/Jason Tong.

They've made improvements, but I can't say whether those improvements are anywhere near sufficient. Nor do I have any idea what "sufficient" might look like. (These massive piles of user-generated content eventually suck on every platform.)

I rarely go hunting for captures anymore. I tend to stick with the few captures that caught my attention early on, and otherwise use the more tweakable models.